I have Hartke 4.5xl cab. It's a bit heavy (and another 410 will come on top soon) so I was thinking about getting some wheels under it. Will it change my tone if I put it on wheels?
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Lifting 410?
- Thread starter krstko
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Getting a cab off the ground will un'couple' the cabinet from the floor - so depending on what stage your on, it could be a good thing.
All and all, you'll notice just a bit less low end bass.
All and all, you'll notice just a bit less low end bass.
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No.
There's no such thing as mechanical coupling, it's a myth started by those trying to sell you something to fix what isn't broken. Lift the cab far enough, as in a couple of feet or more, and you lose midbass acoustical coupling. That can be helpful on a boomy stage.
But if you look from physical side, lifting it on smaller surface should result in less cab vibrations hitting the floor, so you should loose low end in smaller rooms, but it shouldn't make much differences on larger stages or open ones. Am I right?
If you perceive it to be better on the floor, you could roll it in on an appliance dolly
and put it on the floor when you set up.
IMHO though, cabs always sound better to me with big rubber feet
or heavy duty casters with rubber wheels.
and put it on the floor when you set up.
IMHO though, cabs always sound better to me with big rubber feet
or heavy duty casters with rubber wheels.
I'm not a fan of casters on cab's.
From my personal experience, cab's sound better when not on casters.
Plus you don't have to worry about them moving around on stage when they're not supposed to!
Do yourself a favour and buy a decent trolley - your back will thank you!
There are some really cool ones around now. I just bought one with a flat bed design that when you fold the handle down the wheels also fold up underneath automatically. Will carry 137kg.
Works a treat!
From my personal experience, cab's sound better when not on casters.
Plus you don't have to worry about them moving around on stage when they're not supposed to!
Do yourself a favour and buy a decent trolley - your back will thank you!
There are some really cool ones around now. I just bought one with a flat bed design that when you fold the handle down the wheels also fold up underneath automatically. Will carry 137kg.
Works a treat!
Bill,
I dont question your technical knowledge you obviously know a lot more then I about speaker design, etc but I cannot deny that when I take my 410 off the ground and put it on casters, I hear a difference. Simply less boomy.
I think the difference wouldn't be that noticeable. I used to own Hartke 410XL's. The no wheels was such a hassle. I take that back. Those painful spring-loaded handles sucked.
However, I hear what people here are saying. To be honest, you may be better served with a good dolly cart. Plus you can carry more stuff in one trip.
However, I hear what people here are saying. To be honest, you may be better served with a good dolly cart. Plus you can carry more stuff in one trip.
Appliance dolly - good idea, unless there are stairs. My 4x10 cab weighs in at 100 lbs. I've carried it up and down many flights. One gig was a third floor loft sans elevator so I carried it up and down 3 flights of stairs, in stilettos no less, and was glad to be able to roll it the rest of the way to the stage and back to the car's trunk respectively. There was no difference in sound with the casters, just a little more ease of mobility.
What would really be advantageous though, would be one of those grappling guns on Batman's utility belt.
Well, it wont be apart from the floor and you should have your "boomyness" back.
Appliance dolly - good idea, unless there are stairs. My 4x10 cab weighs in at 100 lbs. I've carried it up and down many flights. One gig was a third floor loft sans elevator so I carried it up and down 3 flights of stairs, in stilettos no less, and was glad to be able to roll it the rest of the way to the stage and back to the car's trunk respectively. There was no difference in sound with the casters, just a little more ease of mobility.
What would really be advantageous though, would be one of those grappling guns on Batman's utility belt.
Now there's a bassist dedicated to her craft. And to think there's a bunch of men around here who whine about amps if they're not 5lbs. or less.
Now there's a bassist dedicated to her craft. And to think there's a bunch of men around here who whine about amps if they're not 5lbs. or less.
Thanks, Will, although I don't think I'd mind either if my 4x10 weighed 5 lbs.
But until that happens, it's just part of being in a band. You're part of the crew and unless you got roadies, you carry your own rig. That's why my vote was for the casters. Come to think of it, my 2x15 also has casters even though it's a bit lighter cab than the 4x10. Neither of which lose low end due to being on casters.
I have the GK goldline 410 cab. Its a beast at 95+ lbs. I carry that sucka everywhere. Its on wheels to and it never rolls away during practice or gigs.
Never noticed a change of tone with or no wheels.
Never noticed a change of tone with or no wheels.
