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Light Weight Amplifiers?
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The OP is asking for opinions. I own two class D's and gave my opinion. Head to head comparison on a daily basis.
My opinion.
The Mesa club also has members, as do the others. No reason to get defensive.
Wonder how many of those "680 members" have used the rumble and the D-800 every day for 6 months and can provide an honest review?
I didnt give my opinion. I pointed out your logical fallacy.
Thats like saying there are more Ford Festivas on the road than Lamborghinis, and then citing it as a better car based on that fact alone.
The Bugera amp by Music Group (same company that owns Turbo Sound, TC Electronics, Behringer, Clark Technic etx) makes an amp which is sort of a Genz Benz Knock off which is 2000watts of power, tube or MOSFET pre amp, tones of eq and compression choices... for $400. I don't own one, have not heard one live, but I would check it out. Looks like the most bang for the buck by a country mile.
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It was not a logical fallacy at all. My point, also supported by the fact the Fender Rumble line is the best selling line of bass amps worldwide, is your opinion of the amp is unfounded.I didnt give my opinion. I pointed out your logical fallacy.
Thats like saying there are more Ford Festivas on the road than Lamborghinis, and then citing it as a better car based on that fact alone.
Your comparison is silly. Those two products are not comparable at all. Here we are talking class D bass amps. They are.
You don't like Rumbles, I don't like Mesa. Leave it at that. Neither of us are right or wrong. We have different opinions. And yes, you did give you opinion in the post I originally replied to.
My thoughts on the current price of amps.
Back when I bought my first proper amp (late 1960's) you could buy about 12 pints of beer for 1 GBP.
My newly purchased 100w tube amp was about 100 GBP.
It cost the same as about 800 pints.
A couple of years ago I bought a GK MB800 (800w class D amp) for about 500 GBP.
A pint of beer then cost about 2.5 GBP
So my class D amp cost the same as about 200 pints.
Considering that the class D has 8 times the power of my old tube amp (a poor man's Marshall because I couldn't afford the real thing as they cost about 50% more) for 1/4 of the real world price I call that something of a bargain.
But as always YMMV.
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I think you need to actually go re read to who you are responding to. I have not offered opinion on either Fender or Mesa equipment.
Actually you have used a logical fallacy. Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Citing members numbers in a club thread only tells you how many members are in that thread. Nothing about the actual qualities of the amp. That isnt even an opinion, its a count. You are inferring that since the club has a certain number of members, that your opinion carries more weight than someone's opinion which doesn't align with as many members.
You like your Rumble. Thats cool, thats your opinion. @Hounddog409 Provided his opinion, and cited his direct experience with the two pieces of gear. This is his opinion, but it is based on his experience. How valuable that is to the OP, is up to the OP. What he didnt do, is cite number of club members, which has nothing to do with which amp is better suited to the OP. Hence my analogy pointing to number of cars on the road not telling you about the quality of those cars.
To further illustrate the fallacy of your logic: The majority of people in the world live in China and India, and eat Chinese and Indian food. So they must be the best food, as the most people eat it.
"Best Selling amp" is another logical fallacy. It is a Red Herring. The number of sales does not quantify which amp suits the OP best.
If you're going to disagree with other people's opinions, at least support your own.
If he has a wife and kids then he almost certainly is one.
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A married father I mean.... What were you thinking I meant?
My sincere apologies. I clicked on the wrong thing. It was not your post I objected to at all. It was another post that make disparaging remarks about the Rumble. My bad, but it does explain why neither of us were making any sense. We were talking about two different things.
As to your remark about which amp suits the OP best. I never said that. I was saying the consensus of those buying class D amps is it is a desirable product. It was to refute the claim it is a "muddy mess".
Gotcha.
Honestly I think one needs to play a piece of gear with a wide collection of other pieces to really know what is really going on tonally, and what appeals to ones ear. I used to think I hated SVT's, but that is because they were always paired with a sealed cab. I know now that sealed cabs just are not my thing. I cant get a tone that sounds good to me through them. There are so many other players that can make that rig sound amazing to me. It just doesnt fit in with what I want to hear and can produce.
We all tend to be "tone chasers" and we all have differing opinions about what is the "best" tone. My opinion changes over time. You need to find the combination of basses, amps and speakers that work for YOU. This usually involves many missteps and a lot of equipment purchases.
I have a Rumble 500 combo. IMO the tone is great, and I can vary it widely depending on how I set the bright, contour, horn and vintage switches, distortion and which bass I use. I can also add a 1x15 or 4x10 cab which changes the tone and adds volume. It's a great amp/2x10 combo for 600 bucks new and weighs under 40lbs.
I also use a Hartke LH500 which has a tube preamp and an Ampeg PF800 which is VERY clean. All three produce perfectly good but different tones.
I have a Rumble 500 combo. IMO the tone is great, and I can vary it widely depending on how I set the bright, contour, horn and vintage switches, distortion and which bass I use. I can also add a 1x15 or 4x10 cab which changes the tone and adds volume. It's a great amp/2x10 combo for 600 bucks new and weighs under 40lbs.
I also use a Hartke LH500 which has a tube preamp and an Ampeg PF800 which is VERY clean. All three produce perfectly good but different tones.
I've just bought a used BV1001T and I'm very impressed with it. Solid build quality, nice ergonomics, probably 500-700W RMS of power and a great tone. The compressor is excellent and the valve preamp produces a lovely warm overdrive when needed. I really like the noise it makes...
