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Lightweight cabs with no tweeters or crossovers?

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+1 on the Bag End 212 (get the birch. You know you want to). Maybe not the most efficient, but like Acme, the harder you push the better they sound.

+2 on the EA Wizzy 12 M. Super efficient, very loud and easy to schlep. May not be the most bass heavy tone, but very neutral to let your bass/pedals shine through.
 
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jmjbassplayer said:
This is true, and they're quite good. I've got one. Just not very loud and not enough low extension for a gig, I feel. I really like the tone of them, though. Simple, warm, familiar, takes pedals well. Four or five songs on the last Paramore album were recorded through that cab, and I've used them to good effect on other recordings and in a small rehearsal environment. At the moment I guess I'm leaning towards Barefaced or Revsound. Maybe a couple of 210's or 212's.
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I currently have a revsound stack. A rs210 and rs215t. It slams but the 210 is a bit bright for me, even without a tweeter.

I power them with a forte hp and I can blow the doors off my loud 412 slinging guitarists with no issue

I'm planning on getting a revsound 212 to pair with the 215 and thinking of some berg cabs.. maybe an nxt 112/212 rig
 
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Do the Aguilar DB112s count as lightweight enough? It looks like they still make an NT (no tweeter) version, and they certainly rock. A single one has respectable volume, and two are plenty loud. You could use 3 if you wanted to and stay within minimum resistance on the Aguilar amp.
 
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PotsdamBass8 said:
Do the Aguilar DB112s count as lightweight enough? It looks like they still make an NT (no tweeter) version, and they certainly rock. A single one has respectable volume, and two are plenty loud. You could use 3 if you wanted to and stay within minimum resistance on the Aguilar amp.
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Those are 45 lbs each.
And in my experience they do sound sweet with a jazz style bass and passive single coils. Just not loud enough for a loud band or heavy handed drummer.

They also fart out rather easy when pushed.
 
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jmjbassplayer said:
Very helpful thank you. Do you have an opinion of what I should pair one of their 212's with if I wanted to go bigger?
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I have the Big Twin II and it's what I consider to be a reference cabinet . . . Very transparent. My Two 10 S, otoh, is a darker, or "colored" cabinet with a much more retro sound. I use it for band practice and two local blues jams and it sounds great.

The Big Twin II is my first choice for medium sized gigs with a full band.
 
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Very happy with my orange obc112
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jmjbassplayer said:
Hi,

My thread title says it all...curious what's out there these days that's lightweight, but only relies on one type of driver per cab. 2x12, 1x15, 4x10 are the sizes I'm looking at, and I'd want to run two such cabs off of something lightweight-ish, like an Aguilar AG700 or something similar that can run two 4ohm cabs. The purpose of this is to create a mid-sized rig that sounds warm and familiar, takes drive and other pedals well, and ultimately that I can also fit in my car without having to go to storage to pull out the big rigs in flight cases. :(

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Yours,
JMJ
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Marshall 1550 @ 8 ohms
Light/powerful
 
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Ok, so now that we've talked about that, can I solicit some opinions on the following, now that I have a general concept of my speaker options:

Bergantino HP Forté
Mesa D800+
Darkglass ?

Cheers,
Justin
 
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jmjbassplayer said:
Ok, so now that we've talked about that, can I solicit some opinions on the following, now that I have a general concept of my speaker options:

Bergantino HP Forté
Mesa D800+
Darkglass ?

Cheers,
Justin
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Is an overdrive channel a high priority? The darkglass is pretty well liked, I borrowed one for a bit and it’s a really well made amp. That Berg sounds amazing from the samples I’ve heard. I have the Fender Bassman 500 (class D power amp in a tube sized chassis), and the overdrive channel is awesome. It’s big though.

If you were set with pedals for your overdrive, the Mesa seems like it has the most useful features IMHO.
 
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PotsdamBass8 said:
Is an overdrive channel a high priority? The darkglass is pretty well liked, I borrowed one for a bit and it’s a really well made amp. That Berg sounds amazing from the samples I’ve heard. I have the Fender Bassman 500 (class D power amp in a tube sized chassis), and the overdrive channel is awesome. It’s big though.

If you were set with pedals for your overdrive, the Mesa seems like it has the most useful features IMHO.
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I mean, drive isn't a priority per se, but if the amp can introduce a subtle amount of clipping, I'd be stoked on that. Otherwise, yeah - all pedals for me. I just want something that sounds good, has an effective, simple EQ, has a great reserve of power, and that can honestly and reliably handle a 2 ohms load. Otherwise, I'd probably be content with my old Aguilar AG500, which I like the sound of, though it's a little light on power and can't do two 4 ohm cabs. The Bergantino is intriguing because it's a DSP front-end, but I heard some sound examples on YouTube/Insta and was kinda blown away, tbh. Always loved Mesa (the amps I started on), but if they sound like a Walkabout it's probably not ideal for me, because I find that particular amp a little soft and slow.
 
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jmjbassplayer said:
I mean, drive isn't a priority per se, but if the amp can introduce a subtle amount of clipping, I'd be stoked on that. Otherwise, yeah - all pedals for me. I just want something that sounds good, has an effective, simple EQ, has a great reserve of power, and that can honestly and reliably handle a 2 ohms load. Otherwise, I'd probably be content with my old Aguilar AG500, which I like the sound of, though it's a little light on power and can't do two 4 ohm cabs. The Bergantino is intriguing because it's a DSP front-end, but I heard some sound examples on YouTube/Insta and was kinda blown away, tbh. Always loved Mesa (the amps I started on), but if they sound like a Walkabout it's probably not ideal for me, because I find that particular amp a little soft and slow.
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My impression was that the D800+ is a much quicker, cleaner sounding amp. There’s one based off the Walkabout (WD800 maybe?).
 
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jmjbassplayer said:
Always loved Mesa (the amps I started on), but if they sound like a Walkabout it's probably not ideal for me, because I find that particular amp a little soft and slow.
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Justin, I have the Mesa WD800 and their Subway 1x15. Running this pedalboard into it with the tweeter on the cab all the way off:
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With the Noble in front and the power damping set to tight, it doesn't sound much like a Walkabout to me. I often like to run the 12AT7 in the preamp a bit hot for subtle drive. Soft is definitely not an adjective I'd throw at this thing. That said, my buddy has the D800+ and its easier to dial in a more polite tone on that amp, even though you can get there with the parametric on the WD800.

With tweeter all the way off, this thing can still be super bright/full range when needed. I demo'd the Berg stuff at NAMM this year and it ripped my head off with the upper mids. That said, not optimal listening environment!
 
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jmjbassplayer said:
Ok, so now that we've talked about that, can I solicit some opinions on the following, now that I have a general concept of my speaker options:

Bergantino HP Forté
Mesa D800+
Darkglass ?

Cheers,
Justin
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I own a forte’ and 1-12 HDN
Ultra light head /cab
Set it flat ... you’ll love what You sound like .
Ultra transparent; no amp coloration, takes getting used to what You actually sound like !
 
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Among the alternatives, I have the Forte HP. I cannot comment on the other two, but the Bergie is uber-powerful an amp that would cover a gig of any size.

Even if you prefer using pedals for drive, its drive (which you have different alternatives to install, at the moment, as firmware) matches the amp so well that there are no volume hikes or drops, and does not negatively affect the bass registers. After hearing the drive on Forte HP, you might seriously consider retiring some of your drive pedals; it is that good.

The HPF and LPF functions come quite handy as well. Also it is stable down to 2 ohms which expands your speaker choices.

I would have no reservation in recommending the Forte HP...
 
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jmjbassplayer said:
Ok, so now that we've talked about that, can I solicit some opinions on the following, now that I have a general concept of my speaker options:

Bergantino HP Forté
Mesa D800+
Darkglass ?

Cheers,
Justin
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I've owned all three, the AOU 900 for the DG amp.

I also owned a d800, WD 800 and GK legacy 1200.

The d800 I owned the longest and it served me well.

All the amps are pretty powerful. In order of best to worst IMO:

Forte HP
D800
D800+
WD800
DG AOU 900
GK Legacy 1200

I just couldn't get a tone I personally liked with the last 3, especially in a loud band environment.

The 800+ I thought I would prefer the sweepable mids, turns out I did not.

I prefer a set it and forget it approach, then tweak eq points little by little as I'm playing in my band to get to the sweet spot.

By far I love the Forte Hp out of all the amps mentioned. The thickness, headroom, clarity, how notes start and stop feels and sounds very different to my ears from the others.

As mentioned, having a compressor, hpf, lpf and drive feature sets it apart from all the others, less of these needed on a pedalboard.

The HP tells you very clearly if your technique is sloppy.

My bandmates comment how much better they hear me
 
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