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Lightweight cabs with no tweeters or crossovers?

This really tends to point towards the Barefaced tens imo. I run a Six 10 with an Aguilar DB 751 which has the characteristics you describe here. I have spent years being an all tube man, and this is as convincing as my svt, V4b, and Orange AD200. Loves pedals and has grunt to spare when needed on a big stage, or given your gigs which are no doubt way larger than mine look at an Eight 10 or combination of them. For my gigs which are mainly blues or old school rock I prefer the Barefaced tens over twelves.

Good info. I specifically want some small cabs I can put inside a Tesla Model 3 or my old Alfa. :) In other words, gigs where I don't have a tech. I have what I need for big gigs already. Sorry, I'm very spoiled. I want like two cabs that are easy to schlep, then when paired with a good loud modern class D amp they are loud AF, never sizzly, and take pedals well. I also wouldn't mind if they were fun to record with, through all my old lower wattage tube heads from Ampeg, Sunn, & Traynor.
 
Thanks guys. Questions regarding Barefaced:

I've heard them described as "flat" and not imparting much character on the sound, is that your experience? I've also heard them described as bright, but that seems odd since they have no tweeter.

The 12" cabs would be considered 'flat' as they are meant to be uncolored. What you put in is what you get out. Coloration will come from your amp/pedals.

The 10" cabs are colored and meant to have cone distortion such as a classic Ampeg or similar.

I would not use the word 'bright' to describe any of them, but the 10's will give you more high end than the 12's.
 
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Well, no...having a tweeter and crossover will always limit the amount of high frequencies going to the bass drivers in some way. I'd rather the speakers just be as full range as their response will allow.
Most commonly available cabs don't have proper crossovers. They just have high pass filters on the tweeters and the woofers run full-range.
 
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Good info. I specifically want some small cabs I can put inside a Tesla Model 3 or my old Alfa. :) In other words, gigs where I don't have a tech. I have what I need for big gigs already. Sorry, I'm very spoiled. I want like two cabs that are easy to schlep, then when paired with a good loud modern class D amp they are loud AF, never sizzly, and take pedals well. I also wouldn't mind if they were fun to record with, through all my old lower wattage tube heads from Ampeg, Sunn, & Traynor.
I would suggest a combination of Two 10 cabinets then. Each cab is switchable between 4 and 12 ohms so you can link them together. Very light. Buy two or three and you have a fully modular, easily transportable 210, 410 or 610 rig.
 
My 2c from the lower amateur level: I have a 1x10" Barefaced Cab for some months now. My other two cabs are a Glockenklang 8-1 and a FMC 12"EX. I play finger style Musicmaster Basses. The Glockenklang has a very scooped bassy tone. Deep bass, not much mids, only highs, where the tweeter kicks in (btw. I dislike tweeters in bass cabs). In contrast the Barefaced has not so deep bass, but a very detailed midrange. It reveals much more detail of the playing and feels nicely dynamic. Except for situations, where I need the deeper bass content of the Glockenklang, I very much prefer the Barefaced cab. I would not describe it as overly bright or sharp, but as detailed with a broad range of mid tones, well balanced with not so pronounced deep bass. I can imagine that multiple 10" cabs will gain more bass. The Glockenklang in contrast feels designed for deep bass, but for the cost of sensitivity and clarity. The Barefaced also matches very nicely my tenor baritone. The FMC is a construction I assume as similar to the conception of the Barefaced 12": a high-power flat 12" with 5" midrange. I use this only for gigs.
 
Greenboy Bassic 12 and Bassic 15: speaker enclosure models

Every once in a while I feel like I need the same thing: a cab that utilizes modern design, components, and construction, but is at the same time simple, classic, and familiar. Something that is light and braced well, optimized for dispersion, but without the added complexity of a crossover or horn. At those points in time I feel like I need a Bassic 15.

That feeling usually passes though, and I go back to using my complex/over-engineered 3-way FRFR. :p
 
Every once in a while I feel like I need the same thing: a cab that utilizes modern design, components, and construction, but is at the same time simple, classic, and familiar. Something that is light and braced well, optimized for dispersion, but without the added complexity of a crossover or horn. At those points in time I feel like I need a Bassic 15.

That feeling usually passes though, and I go back to using my complex/over-engineered 3-way FRFR. :p

Same here. But I'm currently working up a 120 watt tube amp and am hoping to be able to just use my two existing 115 cabs that are part of my scary modular three way thing, at least for some stuff.
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JMJ, I too wondered about single-driver cabs, as back in the day this is what we all used. Andy at Acme Products had a similar idea, so he engineered a range of single 12 bins, and later added a tweeter version for those who just couldn't give it up. Always enjoyed your work, and used to read your posts in the Alembic forum.

All the Best,

JW

https://www.acmebass.com/pdf/seriesIIIfwandfrmanwithcover.pdf
+1 on Acme. The "Flat Wound" B-112 is tweeterless and crossoverless, and it appears that the B-212 is the same. The "Full Range" B-112 does have tweeter and crossover.
 
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Hi,

My thread title says it all...curious what's out there these days that's lightweight, but only relies on one type of driver per cab. 2x12, 1x15, 4x10 are the sizes I'm looking at, and I'd want to run two such cabs off of something lightweight-ish, like an Aguilar AG700 or something similar that can run two 4ohm cabs. The purpose of this is to create a mid-sized rig that sounds warm and familiar, takes drive and other pedals well, and ultimately that I can also fit in my car without having to go to storage to pull out the big rigs in flight cases. :(

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Yours,
JMJ

I didn't catch it if someone mentioned it, but the AG700 is not 2ohm stable, it's 2.66ohm stable. So you can run two or three 8 ohm cabs, one 8 ohm and one 4 ohm cab, or just a single 4 ohm cab.
 
The topic seems the description of 210av.
Light,small,no tweeter

This is true, and they're quite good. I've got one. Just not very loud and not enough low extension for a gig, I feel. I really like the tone of them, though. Simple, warm, familiar, takes pedals well. Four or five songs on the last Paramore album were recorded through that cab, and I've used them to good effect on other recordings and in a small rehearsal environment. At the moment I guess I'm leaning towards Barefaced or Revsound. Maybe a couple of 210's or 212's.
 
Hi,

My thread title says it all...curious what's out there these days that's lightweight, but only relies on one type of driver per cab. 2x12, 1x15, 4x10 are the sizes I'm looking at, and I'd want to run two such cabs off of something lightweight-ish, like an Aguilar AG700 or something similar that can run two 4ohm cabs. The purpose of this is to create a mid-sized rig that sounds warm and familiar, takes drive and other pedals well, and ultimately that I can also fit in my car without having to go to storage to pull out the big rigs in flight cases. :(

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Yours,
JMJ
I used one Eden EX112-4 cab for my small venue and two for my medium venue gigs in 2019. They are very small footprint and have a great sound. Reason their footprint is not as big as the Eden D-series 112 cabs is that they have a whizzer cone instead of a separate tweeter horn. Weight is 30¼-lbs. each.

The "whizzer cone" is a dual cone speaker. It has a smaller cone nested inside the larger cone. The smaller cone handles the highs and high-mids. I was skeptical about that, but a good friend of mine from the UK has gigged those for years and swears by them. I was only going to buy the one for use at a small brew pub where we hosted an open-mic night on Fridays 3 to 5 times a month. I got the 4 ohm version because I wanted to get the most out of the amp I was going to use. Here's a shot of that small-venue set-up:

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It worked great. In fact I was so impressed with the sound that within a week I ordered a second one, also in 4 ohm. I couldn't use both of them at once with that little class D Eden TN226 amp (225-watts rms) but I had my main amp that is a dual powerblock amp capable of 400-watts @ 4 ohms per channel, or bridging into 8 ohms. So I just use my big amp and plug one into each side. These little 112's will handle 300-watts rms but they get loud enough for a medium-sized gig well before I get near that power handling rating. On a medium-sized venue, I typically run the master on my amp at 10 o'clock.

Here's a shot of the medium venue set-up with these. Notice that even though I turned them on their side (they are taller than wide), my amp still overhung the edges on it. Was plenty stable though even on top of a milk crate, which I sometimes use. You can see the smaller cone inside the larger one on this shot:

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This is a good solution. Problem is that Eden has discontinued them and once their gone, there will be no more.

However, I am selling mine. I recently got accepted as a DNA (David Nordschow Amplification) Endorser and decided I would get the DNS-210 cab by DNA to use for both small and medium venues, reserving my DNS-410 for large, outdoor, and outdoor festival venues. So I no longer need these 112's and am selling them. They are just this month 1-year old and in great shape. If you plan on running both of them through a single-powerblock amp (just one power channel) you will need a 2 ohm capable amp to do so. Price is $185 each plus shipping.

Even though they are not on the "new" Eden site, you can still access info about them at the older site. Here's a link to the info:
EX112 | EDEN Amplification
 

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