Live Sound Problems

[Ric5]

Not gonna lie, I kind of want a "fake wall" version of this. Something to set up on either side of the stage to make it look like a wall of amps (and we can tuck our gear behind). They are super hard to find though and expensive when you do find them.

you mean like this

 

[Honch]

Suggest gtrd to keep his volume but be able to raise one of his cabinets up to HIS ear level. The center of ONE speaker element should aim directly at a perfect 90 degree angle into his ear. Then he'll hear the beam. If has stacks he won't be loosing low end at all. Would surprise me if he keeps his levels. Or if he has a combo, let the whole band fund his next birthday gift. I don't know if he gets the idea though, but get him this:

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This is how it sounds without DEEFLEXX in any venue any gtrd any cabinet:

red = shrill sound = beam orange = top quality sound grey = dull sound.
And this is why all gtrds basically has to play effing loud. Bass frequencies are not as directional. Now the following is happening when using the DEEFLEXX:

And it looks like this at the front of the amp:

 

[logicman69]

you mean like this

YES!!! Exactly that!

 

[Rockbobmel]

I had the same thing a while back except it was the drummer. He wasn't a dink though. Just too loud and everyone had to keep up. I ended up getting ear protection. That killed too much tone so I settled in on rolled up tight cotton. The square pad kind you use to remove makeup. Rip a section and roll it. then stuff it in your ear just enough.
Too bad. Too can never train the jerk out of someone. It's just stuck there..............

 

[craigie]

This works with 1x12 combos. But Marshall 4x12 stacks, it becomes a huge problem... but that idea is good. IF the gtrd ain't singing too.

A lot of gu

I had the same thing a while back except it was the drummer. He wasn't a dink though. Just too loud and everyone had to keep up. I ended up getting ear protection. That killed too much tone so I settled in on rolled up tight cotton. The square pad kind you use to remove makeup. Rip a section and roll it. then stuff it in your ear just enough.
Too bad. Too can never train the jerk out of someone. It's just stuck

I had the same thing a while back except it was the drummer. He wasn't a dink though. Just too loud and everyone had to keep up. I ended up getting ear protection. That killed too much tone so I settled in on rolled up tight cotton. The square pad kind you use to remove makeup. Rip a section and roll it. then stuff it in your ear just enough.
Too bad. Too can never train the jerk out of someone. It's just stuck there..............

Sounds like a recipe for hearing damage. The frequencies that are letting you hear the tone are what's causing the damage.

 

[JRA]

me to the gtrd: "man if you don't turn that thing down i'm gonna' shove it up your a$$ so far it will be muffled by your bowels! please turn it down before i have to get my hands dirty!"

possible outcomes:
- he turns down. problem solved.
- you're fired. problem solved, but with some satisfaction for you and your ears.
- he does nothing... get the rubber gloves out of your bass case, put them on, walk towards him and his rig....you know the rest...

seriously: IMO --- not asking him to turn down because he's too loud, is an avoidance of an opportunity to make a real band out of those assembled.

 

[esoxhntr]

As if the dial was a clock. Appreciate your reply. As stated in the OP telling guitarist anything is not an option. Is there anything that I can re: my setup...

Tell the guitarist that you need a new guitarist

 

[Rip Van Dan]

After reading two of the five pages of responses, it sounds like you are getting buried due to the bass settings the guitarist is using. Boosting your bass wouldn't help and although you probably don't need to pull it all the way down to 9:30, I think you are on the right track. The one area that the bass usually owns in the mix is around the 250Hz frequency. That gives you the thump and definition in the mix. Looks like the mid selector on your amp will boost/cut at 220Hz with your frequency selector on #1. With the selector on #2, it will hit around 450Hz, which is not what you need to boost.

I can't tell from the manual if that is a sweep selector or just offers you those 5 centers. if you are only offered the 5 mid frequency centers, I'd suggest you make SURE your "Ultra-Low" selector is off, run your treble EQ flat, drop the Bass to about 10:30; select #1 for your mid range and boost it to about 1:30. Give that a try to see if it doesn't help. If it's an actual sweep selector, just set it slightly beyond the #1 and that should get you to the 250Hz range. Really sucks when you have someone who won't listen to the overall mix of sound and insists on drowning everyone else out. Usually, bands like that don't get a lot of gigs because it's no fun to listen to that kind of sound.

Good luck!

 

[micguy]

I'm a bassist and a sound man. If the guitarist is too loud, I can't do either job well. Unless he turns down, your band will sound like crap, no matter what you do - that's an absolute guarantee. Do you want to waste your time, or do something else?

 

[Ric5]

There is a guitar player in town he said he would never play in a band with me again because I told him too many times he is too loud ...

There are other guitar players out there ...

You will never get the good high paying gigs if your band is too loud ...

 

[Jeff K]

This is why I love playing R&B, Funk, Pop and Top40 music. I don't have to deal with that kinda mess and insane volume. Occasionally have to deal with a keyboardist with a left hand bass problem but we nip that in the bud quickly. I don't do the rock/metal thing and just don't understand the need for such high volume levels. Nor the need for guitarists to have such a heavy sound. Why even have a bass player?!

+1. I've found something that usually works when the guitars are getting out of hand with the volume. (At least at practice.) I'll stop and tell them, "We're too loud. We're drowning out the vocals." Everybody will then back off, at least for awhile. And the vocalists usually appreciate it...

 

[bikeplate]

Sounds like hell. Find an outfit that understands stage volume and team work

 

[D.A.R.K.]

Actually the SVT head is designed to run 2 8x10 cabinets. Double up. Oh, you are screwed sonically regardless in the scenario described.

 

[MJ_Sotti]

I have a subway and a Berg 610 I tell them all the time you do you want to start some poopie with volume? I'll blow you right out of the place

 

[BrotherRay]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me you are using hearing protection.

Seriously.

Looking forward to your response.

 

[Nickweissmusic]

Is there a possibility that your band you're playing with is called SUNN O)))) ?

"Band operates at approximately 125db stage volume..." see there. Suits your gtrd just fine. Everything louder than everything else. Especially bass...

Those guys really bring the toe tappers! I tapped my toe 4 times during the last set I saw.

 

[Honch]

...We just cared, and adjusted accordingly. That's what it takes more than anything.

Well there you go that's what it's all about. However to some, change out the words "we" to "I" and "cared" to "didnt care" and you have the majority of gtrds and others as well out there. People think the word "we" is something of danger inherent. All rock performers always thinks of "Me, myself, I" and guess what? Go on with a solo career with no other on stage than you. It'll sound the best no matter at what volume.

 

[Honch]

A lot of gu
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Something interrupted you mid typing? Cat jumped on keyboard? 1 year toddler demanded your attention and accidentally pressed return? iPhone, Android bug?
Anyway, I sort of know where you were heading. "A lot of guitarists..." and then we don't need to say anything more. We know both, you and I agree... Nodding silently and understandingly to each other.

 

[Anders Barfod]

After reading two of the five pages of responses, it sounds like you are getting buried due to the bass settings the guitarist is using. Boosting your bass wouldn't help and although you probably don't need to pull it all the way down to 9:30, I think you are on the right track. The one area that the bass usually owns in the mix is around the 250Hz frequency. That gives you the thump and definition in the mix. Looks like the mid selector on your amp will boost/cut at 220Hz with your frequency selector on #1. With the selector on #2, it will hit around 450Hz, which is not what you need to boost.

I can't tell from the manual if that is a sweep selector or just offers you those 5 centers. if you are only offered the 5 mid frequency centers, I'd suggest you make SURE your "Ultra-Low" selector is off, run your treble EQ flat, drop the Bass to about 10:30; select #1 for your mid range and boost it to about 1:30. Give that a try to see if it doesn't help. If it's an actual sweep selector, just set it slightly beyond the #1 and that should get you to the 250Hz range. Really sucks when you have someone who won't listen to the overall mix of sound and insists on drowning everyone else out. Usually, bands like that don't get a lot of gigs because it's no fun to listen to that kind of sound.

Good luck!

My brother band seem to have the opposite problem of that ,, THe bassist is loud but not much fatness in the bass in the mix.. HE is playing an Ampeg SVT 300 tube and the ampeg 610HLF ported cab in a fairly small room in the cellar which has been nicely padded many places to avoid standing waves.. . I tried a cheap squier jazz bass through the rig... Strange sound in that room,, not much clarity from the cab and a heavy resonance on the F3 (175Hz) and F#3 (185Hz) note on the A string.. In that room using that cab I would feel more inclined to decrease the 220Hz mids with around 8-10dB to get the balance right.. A freq that this cab with 10" are good at amplifying and an area that pretty much sits right in the range of the bass guitar (A3=220Hz)

 

[ddnidd1]

My brother band seem to have the opposite problem of that ,, THe bassist is loud but not much fatness in the bass in the mix.. HE is playing an Ampeg SVT 300 tube and the ampeg 610HLF ported cab in a fairly small room in the cellar which has been nicely padded many places to avoid standing waves.. . I tried a cheap squier jazz bass through the rig... Strange sound in that room,, not much clarity from the cab and a heavy resonance on the F3 (175Hz) and F#3 (185Hz) note on the A string.. In that room using that cab I would feel more inclined to decrease the 220Hz mids with around 8-10dB to get the balance right.. A freq that this cab with 10" are good at amplifying and an area that pretty much sits right in the range of the bass guitar (A3=220Hz)

Some padding is not going to substantially effect the low frequency standing waves.

Controlling low frequencies is a very involved and costly undertaking.

In a small room its extremely difficult.