Apple just released logic Pro X.
The new bass amp models sound excellent, SVT, B15, SVT-2.
I'm psyched!
The new bass amp models sound excellent, SVT, B15, SVT-2.
I'm psyched!
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Logic Pro X Released!!!!
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Is that supposed to be an SVT-2Pro, or a 400+ ? Looking more closely, it's definitely a 400+ which is hilarious because it's the "modern" option. How a modern amp could be represented by a discontinued model is beyond me.
Having reviewed and compared X to 9 thoroughly today, I've come up with the following:
Positives:
I like the updated GUI a lot. I like the visible gain reduction meter. I like the audio to midi conversion offered by Flex Pitch (although the algo doesn't sound as good as Melodyne which I already own). I like that you can extract the drum parts from Drummer as midi and use them with the VST of your choice (SD2.0 in my case). I like that the lack of 32-bit support will force developers to move forward with 64-bit plugs. I like the included arpeggiator much more than building one in the Environment. I like that you can move multiple tracks in the arrange window. I like the midi plugs that reduce/eliminate the need for the Environment. I like, but don't love the RetroSynth. I like the new waveform display a lot more than the previous. I like that stereo waveforms are displayed properly in the arrange window. I like the look of the new mixer, but feel like what's offered in Cubase 7 may still be the superior option.
Negatives:
No mixer window moving of tracks is ridiculous (I'm now reading that this is possible, but it doesn't seem to work on my system). Multicore management is still very poor. No update of EXS24 even after purchasing Redmatica last year. No update of ES2 or Ultrabeat.
Speculation:
When they released FPX, it was missing a lot of key features that were introduced over the course of a few updates. I suspect/hope that LPX will follow suit.
Verdict:
I'm a Logic guy through and through. It's the only DAW I've used that works from front (creating, writing, preproduction) to back (editing, comping, mixing, mastering) in the way that I want to work. I've tried many others, but I just seem to agree with Logic more than the others. With that in mind, I'm happy upgrading from 9 to X. I barely use any of the built-in plugs from Logic these days, so anything that will be added in an update that's currently missing probably won't bum me out very much. The creative tools that this has above 9, and the much improved GUI are essentially what I'm paying for in addition to essentially staying with what's current to maintain compatibility.
Having reviewed and compared X to 9 thoroughly today, I've come up with the following:
Positives:
I like the updated GUI a lot. I like the visible gain reduction meter. I like the audio to midi conversion offered by Flex Pitch (although the algo doesn't sound as good as Melodyne which I already own). I like that you can extract the drum parts from Drummer as midi and use them with the VST of your choice (SD2.0 in my case). I like that the lack of 32-bit support will force developers to move forward with 64-bit plugs. I like the included arpeggiator much more than building one in the Environment. I like that you can move multiple tracks in the arrange window. I like the midi plugs that reduce/eliminate the need for the Environment. I like, but don't love the RetroSynth. I like the new waveform display a lot more than the previous. I like that stereo waveforms are displayed properly in the arrange window. I like the look of the new mixer, but feel like what's offered in Cubase 7 may still be the superior option.
Negatives:
No mixer window moving of tracks is ridiculous (I'm now reading that this is possible, but it doesn't seem to work on my system). Multicore management is still very poor. No update of EXS24 even after purchasing Redmatica last year. No update of ES2 or Ultrabeat.
Speculation:
When they released FPX, it was missing a lot of key features that were introduced over the course of a few updates. I suspect/hope that LPX will follow suit.
Verdict:
I'm a Logic guy through and through. It's the only DAW I've used that works from front (creating, writing, preproduction) to back (editing, comping, mixing, mastering) in the way that I want to work. I've tried many others, but I just seem to agree with Logic more than the others. With that in mind, I'm happy upgrading from 9 to X. I barely use any of the built-in plugs from Logic these days, so anything that will be added in an update that's currently missing probably won't bum me out very much. The creative tools that this has above 9, and the much improved GUI are essentially what I'm paying for in addition to essentially staying with what's current to maintain compatibility.
All Ampeg bass amp models. Where's the love for everyone else? Ampeg gives 1 basic sound, and NOTHING Ampeg makes qualifies as "modern" imo.
Kind of lame, that bass amp modeling gets virtually no love from the likes of Guitar Rig, Logic, and nearly everyone other than Amplitube.
Notation: Was hoping for a MUCH improved score editor, not just graphic tweaks.
Pitch flex: This is amazing.
Summary: Remember that they always provide something new and improved in their ".1" updates. Logic 9.1 was a huge deal. Wait it out!
Kind of lame, that bass amp modeling gets virtually no love from the likes of Guitar Rig, Logic, and nearly everyone other than Amplitube.
Notation: Was hoping for a MUCH improved score editor, not just graphic tweaks.
Pitch flex: This is amazing.
Summary: Remember that they always provide something new and improved in their ".1" updates. Logic 9.1 was a huge deal. Wait it out!
Again, I'm think the modern is a 400+, not an Ampeg model based on the faceplate image. The sound is certainly up for debate, and the name certainly seems more in keeping with an SVT-2Pro than a 400+.
Pitch Flex is amazing in that it's built in, but the algo doesn't sound as nice as Melodyne. I have the cheap Melodyne, which doesn't allow audio to midi conversion, so I'll be using Pitch Flex for that purpose alone. Too bad they couldn't integrate Melodyne like Studio One has been able to do. I like Logic a lot more than Studio One, but they definitely got that part right.
Pitch Flex is amazing in that it's built in, but the algo doesn't sound as nice as Melodyne. I have the cheap Melodyne, which doesn't allow audio to midi conversion, so I'll be using Pitch Flex for that purpose alone. Too bad they couldn't integrate Melodyne like Studio One has been able to do. I like Logic a lot more than Studio One, but they definitely got that part right.
Hmmm, I may have to consider upgrading from 9 to X when I get a new computer, which I was planning on in the near future. The instruments and bundled plug-ins don't concern me much, though any improvement there is certainly cool, I only use them when I'm just doing quick demos for myself and not proper recording projects. Any kind of upgraded UI, especially for editing interests me. It's no issue now after using LP9 for a few years, but the editing and comping features have always bit a little clunky.
I was playing around with the bass stuff last night, and noticed a few things. Most notably was that the DI is a rendering of an Avalon U5. Having owned several U5's, I can tell you that the tone preset positions do not sound like the actual hardware.
On a positive note, the flip top model sounds surprisingly great. I haven't delved into the classic or modern amps, and probably won't give them much of my time as amp sims on bass are largely unnecessary for the work I do most of the time.
I've got some overall minor complaints, and some positives as well.
Ultimately I'm glad that I upgraded.
On a positive note, the flip top model sounds surprisingly great. I haven't delved into the classic or modern amps, and probably won't give them much of my time as amp sims on bass are largely unnecessary for the work I do most of the time.
I've got some overall minor complaints, and some positives as well.
Ultimately I'm glad that I upgraded.
Not sure how I feel about the amp selection for bass, but really enjoying the Drummer feature. I like how it tracks/follows guitars on the fly. I was using EZDrummer in Logic Pro 9 but may not need it now (at least for my demos). The extra content files are rather large but have some potential.
I thought it was the Mesa Boogie 400+ amp?
I thought it was the Mesa Boogie 400+ amp?
Having played with it a bit more, I will say that it definitely looks like a 400+, which again, calling a discontinued amp "modern" is hilarious, but it does not sound like a 400+. Not bad, just not what I think of when I think of a 400+.
Anyone know how to NOT use an amp model? I'd like to capture the sound of my DI only and then apply an amp model later if desired.
Even if the amp model is on a channel strip, it's not being captured at the input stage. Turn the plugin off, or move the audio to a different track and it won't retain anything from the plugin.
