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Looking at getting new cab

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Jun 17, 2008
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running a fender 300 pro for a head. for cab an ampeg b-series 4x10

would like to try a orange sp410 with a 1x15 but no sp410 in the country currently (australia) that i know of.

can anyone shed any light on what these are like.

i generally play heavier tunes. think converge, mastodon, neurosis.

would like to have a 2x10 and 1x15 separate cabs for mobility sake. what can anyone suggest to have a look at?
 
#4
On the other hand, lots of people mix and match drivers...it is all up to what sounds good to you. Right now I play through a 15 and a 12, and I like it just fine, but I also enjoy playing out of just 10's, and just 15's.

I'm also confused by your question. You want to know about the Orange 410/15, but then talk about having a 210/15? If you want to get heavy, go the 410/15, or two 410's, or two 15's...any of those will get you decently loud I would say. There is a user here on talkbass who uses the 410/15 Orange...markjazzbassist
 
#6
punch and depth. my playing goes from fast and driving to slow and doomy. hence why i think 10's and a 15 are a good idea.

the orange sp410 seems like a good idea due to it being 4 10's in a 2x10 enclosure.

if it sounds horrible however (which i doubt), i would move back to considering 2x10 and 1x15. just trying to weigh my options really.
 
#9
I'm looking for a 15 to stick under my 410H. The 410H is plenty fine for now but for larger gigs I think another cab would help. I figure it'll have more versatility to the sound, however if I don't like it I could sell or swap it for more 10s.

Jimmy, why don't you care for mixed rigs if I may so humbly ask?

Scott
 
#10
Uribam said:
why don't you care for mixed rigs if I may so humbly ask?

Scott
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There has been a lot of talk around here about comb filtering (I believe is what it's called) issues when using different sized drivers at the same time.

I don't really know how much of a problem it is in real-world situations, though. Mesa makes a cab with 4x10s and a 15 in the same box and I haven't heard anyone complain about that cab.
 
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Uribam said:
I'm looking for a 15 to stick under my 410H. The 410H is plenty fine for now but for larger gigs I think another cab would help. I figure it'll have more versatility to the sound, however if I don't like it I could sell or swap it for more 10s.

Jimmy, why don't you care for mixed rigs if I may so humbly ask?
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You may, and I will regurgitate what the audio guys on here say:

If you have two different speaker sizes reproducing the same frequency range, you can introduce phasing issues where some notes will sound bigger than most notes and some will sound weaker. Sometimes it doesn't phase much, so a rig can still sound good with mixed speakers. And some really do like their mixed cab rigs. But I never have liked them. They always sounded at least a little bit off to me, usually way off. Especially a single 15" with a 410. The 410 always blows it away, but you'll hear the 15" just enough to throw the rig into disarray. At least that's the way I hear it, and the big audio experts on here back up that opinion with hard data. But if you have a rig like that and you're happy with it, no need to worry about it.
 
#12
Well that sort of is what I'm worrying about. Since this is on topic with the thread I don't think I'm hijacking it so sorry if I am. Surely what you say is true, I don't doubt it. Isn't there some way to overcome it though? I see lots of rigs sold 4x10 with a 1x15 and have heard a few but maybe I never heard them. Maybe I listened to them and not heard them, ya know? I'll try it out for myself, but I'll assume you're right, and if so is there a way to overcome that?

Scott
 
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Uribam said:
Well that sort of is what I'm worrying about. Since this is on topic with the thread I don't think I'm hijacking it so sorry if I am. Surely what you say is true, I don't doubt it. Isn't there some way to overcome it though? I see lots of rigs sold 4x10 with a 1x15 and have heard a few but maybe I never heard them. Maybe I listened to them and not heard them, ya know? I'll try it out for myself, but I'll assume you're right, and if so is there a way to overcome that?
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Yes...use matched cabs ;)

There really is no way to fix it or predict how well one cab will work with another. The reason you see rigs sold that way is because people are conditioned to like what big stars use, and a fair amount of big stars like mixed cab rigs. Plus there's the psychology that if something looks like it'll work, people will often assume it does work. And there's nothing wrong with that...if they accomplish your tonal goals, that's all that matters. But the 410/115 rig is popular more from good marketing than sensible audio practices. So are most bass rigs for that matter. Only you can decide how much it matters to you or if a mixed cab rig will work for you, but as for me, I'm not interested.
 
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Sartori said:
I use an Ampeg 1x15 and an Ashdown 2x10.

I wouldn't recommend using a 4x10 with a 1x15. The four 10s will overpower the 15. They're at more equal strength with only two 10 inch speakers to every one 15 inch speaker.
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IMHO I think a 118 or a 215 matches up better to a 410. The problem w/a 215 in your scenario is it's dificult to find one in 8Ω so you'd want/need a 2Ω stable head to make it work (I dunno if your head is capable of a 2Ω load, please excuse my ignorance)... plus that's alotta cab lifting.
 
#17
I'm running a GK Backline 600 to an Ampeg B115e and an Ampeg B410he. For a "value priced" rig it really does the job. With all those cones I don't need more than 300w in most cases. According to other posters here, I must be doing it wrong ... :hmm:
 
#18
No. if it sounds good, it is good. But what Jimmy's talking about is true. It doesn't happen every time, and not with every set up, but there can be problems with mixed drivers. The "marketing" aspect is mixing 10's and 15's looks like it would cover alot more frequency range, when the truth is, a well designed 410, or any well designed cab, can actually put out the full sound on it's own. And, 2 matching cabs will always sound better than 2 mixed cabs. But again, no matter what it is, if it sounds good, it is.
 

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