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#41
damonsmith said:
Even worse than I thought they were. This is a really pathetic and awkward performance. I'll agree that Reid is the least terrible aspect, that could just be that his contribution is obscured by the hamfisted drumming. This shouldn't qualify as "new" to anyone, even if it does something for you.
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I don't particularly like their version of this song but I do like The Bad Plus- I saw them several times live and they were great. I know that there are mixed feeling about them here on TalkBass but to each his own. I would agree they're not "new" but if someone hasn't heard of them, they are definitely worth checking out...
 
#42
I interpreted ‘new’ as meaning new to the OP, and the album concerned and others by the band which include a lot of rock covers, hence rock-ish. The Bad Plus were new to me when I heard them 10 years ago, so yes, not new. I may have misinterpreted the OP in my reading between the lines.

A casual search through the talkbass achives suggests many people like the Bad Plus, there just seem to be one or two people who have a particular high dislike for them.
 
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#45
Mrlen613 said:
This is an awesome song. the timing of those breaks is really fantastic- very tight playing!
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Currently I am listening to their latest album, It’s Hard , with its “hip-hop-ishly” rhythmic displacement/s.
Nothing wrong with it.



Maybe, some experimental free-jazz representatives feel unhappy with the Bad Plus “incorrect” use of some free-Jazz elements, but it’s not my “battle”.
 
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I like The Bad Plus and the concept quite a bit. They're are a very fun band to see live too. But one thing has always bothered me a bit is that they always play harmonically safe. I had previously attributed that to Iverson's playing but now that I've heard samples from the new lineup with Evans, I see it is a more calculated feature of the band-- and likely to keep it accessible to a larger audience that likely doesn't appreciate bebop reharmonization.
EST checks off most of the same boxes for me but takes it further outside where I like.
 
#51
damonsmith said:
I did miss the "rock" part in the OP, while the rock aspects are bought on more by my colleagues here, I have to say this is a successful blend of improvisation and rock ideas:

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I truly enjoyed your "Plane Crash Two", "Fifi Blows her top", and "Cactus Makes Perfect".

In addition, as a pre-amateur/pre-beginner stage "specialist" of "Free Jazz", I've learned (from your web-site) that there are so many "different sorts of free improvisation" and "that music is created in dimensions far beyond melody, harmony, and rhythm"; therefore, I totally understand your "upsetness" with my and/or some other TB members' vision/s on "New Music".
Where I enjoy listening to a "well-programmed/rehearsed" and carefully-structured musical performance that includes some "baby-steps" elements of free jazz, most probably, you feel "bored to death", and I think it's normal.
You are a dedicated Free Jazz "guru" with your vision of "New Music", I'm just an amateur listener. No wonder our views are different.

The following band - with a solidly-rockish" foundation, tries to incorporate some elements of (structured) Free Jazz while performing, more or less, clearly defined rhythmic compositions.

(Around 3:27, the band gets on a solid rhythmic foundation)

 
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Whousedtoplay said:
In addition, as a pre-amateur/pre-beginner stage "specialist" of "Free Jazz", I've learned (from your web-site) that there are so many "different sorts of free improvisation" and "that music is created in dimensions far beyond melody, harmony, and rhythm"; therefore, I totally understand your "upsetness" with my and/or some other TB members' vision/s on "New Music".
Where I enjoy listening to a "well-programmed/rehearsed" and carefully-structured musical performance that includes some "baby-steps" elements of free jazz, most probably, you feel "bored to death", and I think it's normal.
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Thanks for the kind words! I actually love more inside playing that hints at more free ideas, groups like the Bobo Stenson trio, later Dave Holland, Kenny Wheeler or some your other posts of German groups doing it. I don't like when done poor or as a desperate attempt to get credibility after a career of crass commercial decisions.
 
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