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Loopers for Multi Instrumentalists

Hi!

I'm a multi-instrumentalist and recently got interested in using a looper. The idea is to play and loop my bass guitar first, then add a rhythm guitar layer on top, and finally solo over it all.

Do you have any recommendations on how to achieve this setup?

I believe I'd need a looper with two separate outputs, one for each amp – a bass amp and a guitar amp.

Would an RC500 be a good choice?
 
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I believe I'd need a looper with two separate outputs, one for each amp – a bass amp and a guitar amp.

I've been doing this for well over a decade, and would advise you to look at this a bit differently, based on what's been working for me. No conventional amps involved. You are producing a song, and the looper is very close to the last thing in the chain. You should plan on a full range PA for live stuff, and a recorder for studio play.
My chain:
- Guitar multi effects pedal
- Bass multi effects pedal
>> into stereo mini-mixer. Sub any other instrumentation above, but run into the mini mixer prior to looper. This gives you volume, EQ, and most importantly, stereo panning. You are making a composition, so carefully place each new voice in it's own space in the stereo spectrum. Piling on up the center mucks it up fast. All this production really should be taking place before it hits the looper.
>> Stereo A/B pedal on guitar prior to the looper, so you may bypass the loop when you get to the solo stage. This way, you can send separate solo channel to your recording equipment/DAW. If you're not recording yet, you will be inclined to do so the minute you get your system working. Last thing you want is to record your solo work directly over the loop, ruining your chances of post-jam editing.
>> Looper. Key features: stereo operation, ability to punch in/overdub, click track and hopefully, auto quantizing to the click. Separate click output is also a must.

Lots more interjected in between, but again, you're either sending this all to a main PA and/or recording device of some sort. I have recently purchased Studio One, in order to get this more integrated into the computer, but honestly have not converted to it yet. Maybe someone will interject a simpler, DAW based way to do this, but given the years of experience and numerous routing/re-routing that takes place in my setup within the above outline has me stuck outside the DAW. I currently simply run Drums, Solo guitar and loop stereo signals into separate channels of the DAW.(Roland Octacapture). One more mono channel for talkback (I'm doing this through headphones most of the time) and click track to another mono channel for blending into HP mixes. This at least gives us the ability to post-edit further with EQ, effects and levels by direct injection, vs. my old Yamaha aw16g, which required a time consuming, data sensitive printing of a CD to then transfer to the mixing computer.

Enough for this post. Hope that makes some sense of where to start.
And good luck. I've found myself graduating slowly from 10-15 second riffs to now 3-4 minute compositions for loops. It is an amazingly satisfying way to enjoy making spontaneous original compositions on the fly. Just plain tons of fun, and over the years, my drummer and I have put out about 10 discs of our most magic jams.
 
I've had a couple of looper pedals, for simple stuff. Started with the TC Ditto, works OK by itself or with a live drummer but not with a drum machine (gets out of sync). Tried a Boss loop station with built in drum tracks, the pedal and controls are too small to work well in a live situation. My buddy does a lot of live gigs with a looper, starts with an acoustic guitar track and adds "drum" tracks by tapping on the guitar, then plays over the tracks with leads, vocals, harmonica, sax, and flute. He uses a multi track looper, not sure what the model is but I can check. It's a long narrow foot pedal with multiple switches. I think his unit can store prerecorded loops, saves a lot time when he's doing these food court gigs.



You can see his board in this one...



We're both in other bands now, but get together whenever we can. Best front man around...

Update I'm pretty sure that it's a Boss RC300 Loop Station
 
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I'll add that you may find a Jam Man Stereo Looper for as little as $120 used right now. It's disco'd but mine's been trouble free for about a decade now. Takes SD cards (can plug into the computer to store & play the wav files also), quantizes after first measure of beats that count you off to start, punch in (overdub), dedicated click output with level, 8 click sound options. Grab an external dual footswitch and you get a dedicated "undo" button (for dumping an overdub and trying again), as well as a "reverse" option, which can be an oddly interesting thing to do. It's been the best bang for buck looper I've tried for a reasonably small foot pedal. Allows a lot of creativity and something like a 15 minute time cap, so practically unlimited composition length.
Just FYI, as this might be just right for you to test the waters for a very reasonable cost.

Yep, the RC500 series gives you mixability of different voices, but you'll need a half a grand.
Tried the Aeros and sold it. Just no joy for me. It required too much re-training of my creative flow to their system. Plus an additional BeatBox pedal to even meet the capabilities of the JamMan and actually be able to get it to do all it's hyped to do. Felt like I might as well abandon pedals and just go to the DAW to generate loops there. YMMV.