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Loudest vertical double 210 (or 212) stack?

J-Dub

J-Dub

Feb 13, 2011
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Opinions seem all over the map on this so to narrow it down, let's define "loud" as:

Loud: noun. The ability to keep up with two guitarists and a drummer playing ZZ Top and Black Keys covers and never miss your old Ampeg 810.

Looking to downsize/go modular but still bring that mid presence and vintage sealed cab tone and volume.
 
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All else being equal, which is a problem as it never is, the loudest cab is the one with the most driver displacement. Catch-22: only Barefaced publishes their driver displacement, and even they don't for their tens, which doesn't matter, since there's no way to compare them with anything else. But much of what makes an 810 sound like an 810 is how high it stands, so a pair of 210 vertically stacked will get you as close as you can get.
 
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Rick James said:
Catch-22: only Barefaced publishes their driver displacement
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Any cab makers using stock drivers also have driver displacement easily available. That includes Greenboy Fearful/Fearless stuff, as well as certain Audiokinesis cabs among others.

Given the desire for something with a more colored tone, I think that any of the Barefaced 10" cabs would be a great place to start if you have the budget, as already mentioned above.
 
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I've been working with two Avatar 210 Neo cabinets stacked as a vertical 410 for years (powered by Mesa M-6 Carbines) in a LOUD outlaw country band, (two guitars running into Mesa amps and a drummer who doesn't know the meaning of playing timid!)

Using them on small stages, large stages, at outdoor shows, animal clubs, bars, ect.

Just for reference, my other cabinet is a Bergntino NV610, love it, but it mostly sets at home because of it's 100 lb. weight is getting to be a problem and it's squat 36" tall cabinet.
On tight stages I've a foam wedge that I have to use to angle the NV up at my ears.

There's something to be said about the vertical 410 having that top driver up near your ears....


As to the "sealed" 210 cabinet vibe, I'd suggest your checking into Ampeg's 210 AV.
They sound very good but their NOT a loud cabinet that will handle much more than moderate gigs.
 
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Rick James said:
Catch-22: only Barefaced publishes their driver displacement.
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Kro said:
Any cab makers using stock drivers also have driver displacement easily available. That includes Greenboy Fearful/Fearless stuff, as well as certain Audiokinesis cabs among others.
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Rick, I like your Carl Sagan quote: "We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology."

If you're going to make an apples-to-apples comparison of driver displacements, you might want to use the same yardsticks for measuring cone area and linear excursion. The ideal of course would be to use the actual Klippel distortion measurements, as sometimes the suspension system is the limiting factor, something that would not show up otherwise. So if you're going to make a comparison between one of us guys who uses stock woofers and someone else, if precision matters, then the yardsticks used also matter. Just like when making comparisons between manufacturers based on any other spec (efficiency, low-end extension, power handling).

Kro said:
Given the desire for something with a more colored tone, I think that any of the Barefaced 10" cabs would be a great place to start if you have the budget, as already mentioned above.
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I agree with this.
 
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MultiScaleMale said:
How many watts do you push through yours? I only had one B2, but it was completely lost in the mix with everything maxed on the amp. Wish Andy would build a cab with the design goal of SPL rather than a flat response.
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I did this stack for a while, with an Alembic pre into a 1200 watt Stewart (World Tour?). Of course, early class D watts... That rig wasn't louder than my Trace AH600. I never got lost. But, if you're used to cabinets voiced more for midrange, I can see you missing presence/bite/punch/insert adjective here.

TBH, I was never really satisfied with one B2, either. It's just not a lot of speaker to get that much low end from.
 
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I run a GK mb800 through two vert stack GK cx210s. I play with a loud drummer and two very loud guitarist in a metal band and have no problems at all.
 
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MultiScaleMale said:
How many watts do you push through yours? I only had one B2, but it was completely lost in the mix with everything maxed on the amp. Wish Andy would build a cab with the design goal of SPL rather than a flat response.
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That kinda defeats the purpose of the Acme. You want loud? I can get you loud but it may not sound pretty using SPL as a target. Will you accept a decrease in sensitivity as a trade-off for a thick, well-balanced bass tone? That's pretty much Acme's stock-in-trade.

Riis
 
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Zooberwerx said:
That kinda defeats the purpose of the Acme. You want loud? I can get you loud but it may not sound pretty using SPL as a target. Will you accept a decrease in sensitivity as a trade-off for a thick, well-balanced bass tone? That's pretty much Acme's stock-in-trade.

Riis
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I tried Acme and it was too much of a loss of sensitivity for me. That’s why I was saying I wish he would try a SPL cab or two. Keep the existing line.
 
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MultiScaleMale said:
I tried Acme and it was too much of a loss of sensitivity for me. That’s why I was saying I wish he would try a SPL cab or two. Keep the existing line.
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Don't hold your breath. OTOH, I have yet to trial any of the newer designs but none appear to embrace the desired conventional 2 X 10 format. As you've guessed, I also run two Acme B-2's powered by either an XLS 2500 or Epifani 1000 as the cabs scream "...bring it on, *****!".

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