Low cost, tapping, pristine slapback delay to double 8:th notes?.

[AlexanderB]

As the topic says, looking for a pedal mainly to turn ie 120 bpm 8:th notes to 16:ths to get a sequenced synth bass feel. Mono, decent cost, tap tempo, pristine reps. Preferrably not made in China, and no brands exclusive to Amazon, ebay etc.
If it can do more, fine, but next level worth looking into would be something with shimmer/crystals.

 

[chiphaleonbass]

If you're looking for super clean repeats then you're probably looking digital delay as opposed to analog. Are you looking for a pedal that you can specifically implement the BPM into?

If not you're probably looking at something like the Walrus Arp-87 or the JHS Lucky Cat, those aren't cheap options by any means, but they meet the other criteria you have. Otherwise you can use an external tap tempo pedal with something like the Canyon by EHX which gives you a lot of variety in delay sounds, including the shimmer and octave effects you may be looking for. Boss DD-200 might be out of the price range but also could get you close to what you're looking for

 

[Bob_Ross]

tc Flashback?

 

[chiphaleonbass]

tc Flashback?

That one too, tap tempo isn't a separate switch though right?

 

[cheapbasslovin]

Jam Delay Llama might be a thing.

 

[chiphaleonbass]

Jam Delay Llama might be a thing.

They just dropped the mini version too, which has the sub-divisions and tap tempo. I've got the extreme, it's my favorite delay pedal by far! The mini will probably be in the price range too; whereas the full one is a bit more costly. It is analog though; so the repeats do deteriorate a little

 

[Bob_Ross]

That one too, tap tempo isn't a separate switch though right?

Apparently you can add an external footswitch and dedicate it to Tap Tempo duty if you're not using both stereo inputs. [edit: I'm referring to the Flashback2, I have no idea if the original Flashback works the same way...which is funny, because I own an original Flashback!]

otoh, I just re-read OP and he's looking for something not made in China, which I think rules out any of the tc electronic pedals.

 

[AlexanderB]

Thanks for all suggestions! @Bob_Ross , at least my new sub n up is NOT chinese, but from Malaysia (I think). Flashback 2 and the EHX are ok, price wise.
The original Flashback was self learning the tempo, no tap needed?

 

[Bob_Ross]

The original Flashback was self learning the tempo, no tap needed?

I don't remember how the original Flashback did tempo learning...I know the Flashback Mini had a "listen mode" where audio was momentarily muted while you entered two transients -- typically via a muffled string strum/pluck/click -- and then tempo was derived from the time between those two transients.

 

[AlexanderB]

I don't remember how the original Flashback did tempo learning...I know the Flashback Mini had a "listen mode" where audio was momentarily muted while you entered two transients -- typically via a muffled string strum/pluck/click -- and then tempo was derived from the time between those two transients.

Exactly what I meant. Here it says it has the listening feature. But like you say, it will mute the audio as you set the pace.
TC Electronic | Product | FLASHBACK DELAY

 

[Discount Bassy]

As the topic says, looking for a pedal mainly to turn ie 120 bpm 8:th notes to 16:ths to get a sequenced synth bass feel. Mono, decent cost, tap tempo, pristine reps. Preferrably not made in China, and no brands exclusive to Amazon, ebay etc.
If it can do more, fine, but next level worth looking into would be something with shimmer/crystals.

"Decent cost" means different things to different people. How much are you looking to spend/not exceed for a device to meet your first list of needs? Does the tap tempo need to be an integrated feature or would you be fine plugging a locally sourced momentary switch into a pre-existing jack on the pedal? Is you preference to not have the pedal manufactured in China or is it to not include parts that are manufactured in China?

If you are looking for something with shimmer/crystal/reverse/24-delay-engine-choices/whatever you can dream of in a package that is fully adjustable via an editor in all parameters and knob assignments, I would suggest the Source Audio Nemesis, which is stereo ready (but can be run in traditional mono mode), can be controlled via an additional expression pedal, accepts MIDI clock signal and can be further diddled using an addition foot switch input...128 presets...pretty much anything you want. It is $300 new and I think that is a fair price for what it is and how it does it. It does so much that it can overwhelm with the possibilities. There is plenty of technical support via the company and reps regularly chime in on the Source Audio Sorcerers Society thread here on TB. Oh, and yeah, I have one and I really like it.

 

[GMC]

Just to add to the previous post, the SA Nemesis is really good value on the used market too. The SA Collider has nudged a fair few Nemesis’ onto the S/H market, which is a bargain for such a capable device.

 

[Jazz Ad]

A tremolo pan is a more efficient tool than a delay to achieve this, even if both can do it.

 

[AlexanderB]

A tremolo pan is a more efficient tool than a delay to achieve this, even if both can do it.

Thanks, please tell me more!

 

[Jazz Ad]

If the tremolo can be set to a square wave, it turns signal on and off rythmically, leading to the same effect as a stutter pedal or a short delay.

Check this at 2:05


There are specialty pedal dedicated to this effect, like the Idiotbox Mad Doctor


If you want to push things further, the Boss Slicer does the same but with more complex patterns that can easily emulate an arpeggiator.


If you insist on delays, the Digitehc Digidelay has a lot of features that allow this effect


Basically any effect that induces a stutter can do this, square tremolo and delay being the most common. I find the tremolo more convenient than other because it induces less glitching.

If you're on the cheap, most multieffects can do this effet just fine.

 

[BassFalcon]

Real unpopular opinion here, but have you tried a metronome and your own hands? A pick may help you get them more even, or the Matt Garrison approach might help to get you that speed, but it is possible. Imagine how much more control, skill, and precision you’ll pick up along the way.

 

[AlexanderB]

If the tremolo can be set to a square wave, it turns signal on and off rythmically, leading to the same effect as a stutter pedal or a short delay.

Check this at 2:05


There are specialty pedal dedicated to this effect, like the Idiotbox Mad Doctor


If you want to push things further, the Boss Slicer does the same but with more complex patterns that can easily emulate an arpeggiator.


If you insist on delays, the Digitehc Digidelay has a lot of features that allow this effect


Basically any effect that induces a stutter can do this, square tremolo and delay being the most common. I find the tremolo more convenient than other because it induces less glitching.

If you're on the cheap, most multieffects can do this effet just fine.

Thank you for bringing me up to speed here. Not a big user of effects other than synth and octave. I will look into the tremolo option, as that is effectively what I am looking for.

 

[AlexanderB]

Real unpopular opinion here, but have you tried a metronome and your own hands? A pick may help you get them more even, or the Matt Garrison approach might help to get you that speed, but it is possible. Imagine how much more control, skill, and precision you’ll pick up along the way.

Thanks! I have been playing bass for 25 years, and in the last 10, my sustained, maximum speed has increased only marginally. No way I can play fast enough for these songs. I have approached pick playing as well over the years, with no real progress, and it STILL feels awkward and frustrating.

 

[BassFalcon]

Thanks! I have been playing bass for 25 years, and in the last 10, my sustained, maximum speed has increased only marginally. No way I can play fast enough for these songs. I have approached pick playing as well over the years, with no real progress, and it STILL feels awkward and frustrating.

Right on man. Whatever gets the job done, and as you can see lots of ways to skin this cat. And thank you for assuming I wasn’t being a snarky anti-effects guy, I was concerned my comment might’ve landed that way, glad to see it didn’t. The Matt garrison approach helped me be able to more comfortably maintain that type of speed for sure. It’s basically applying banjo/classical guitar technique and doing a downstroke with your thumb and up strokes with your index and maybe the middle too. You can pick up quite a bit of speed with minimal effort that way. However you choose to get the job done, effects or technique, I hope it works out well for you. Best of luck!

 

[AlexanderB]

Right on man. Whatever gets the job done, and as you can see lots of ways to skin this cat. And thank you for assuming I wasn’t being a snarky anti-effects guy, I was concerned my comment might’ve landed that way, glad to see it didn’t. The Matt garrison approach helped me be able to more comfortably maintain that type of speed for sure. It’s basically applying banjo/classical guitar technique and doing a downstroke with your thumb and up strokes with your index and maybe the middle too. You can pick up quite a bit of speed with minimal effort that way. However you choose to get the job done, effects or technique, I hope it works out well for you. Best of luck!

With your additional info on Garrisson, I will look into that. Thanks for the ideas.