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Lyrics vs gender

That may be true. We just found our guitar player, and I said okay, since we have all the pieces now, here's some things I am going to insist on (dont worry, they were reasonable)...one of them was that she make sure that we play songs in her key or drop any that she feels vocally weak on. She told me that nobody had ever said that to her...she was very pleased.

It is obviously normal for people in a cover band not to like performing certain songs. However, one should be upfront about it and not look for an (unfounded) excuse.
 
Morgan James sings "Sledgehammer" nicely, works musically. The song's imagery is most definitely from the male perspective, and that sits a little uncomfortably sung by a female, at least for me, if I'm listening to the lyrics. But people very often don't listen to the lyrics, and a good melody and groove go a long way. So ... I'm ok with this song as performed here, but it does lose a little in translation. Personally, I often swap pronouns if the song works that way. Some songs don't work if that's done.

 
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At this point, I've seen and done enough stuff to make "a girl singing a boy song" or vice versa, into something that hardly warrants attention. That said, if I'm singing it, I'll probably change the references to boys to bring about girls, because... well, that's what I'm cool with I guess. If that's what's it takes for someone else, or not - if they even want to play it - then that's awesome.

If they don't want to play it, I'd say that's some room for development - expand your weelhouse, push your envelope, get out of your comfort zone and all of that stuff.
 
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An unfounded one. The proof is in the pudding (it isn't a 'gender-specific' song). It seems to me she just doesn't like the song and is looking for an excuse not to sing it.
Being a woman who has sung it, I'd guess it's the "your sex takes me to paradise" part. That's typically not the way women talk about men. Also, the overall concept of being "locked out of heaven" is a euphemism for not getting any sex. But it's not egregiously explicit or anything, so I didn't have a problem with it.
 
My pet hypothesis is that it's the "slumber party karaoke" thing; it's a social thing among girls to sing together and to each other, in a sense taking on the persona of the (male) singer crooning away. Young boys (in America, anyway) don't have parties like that. So when a female singer in a cover band gets up to do a love song to a woman, it's just taking the same thing on stage and everyone gets it, while if a man does it can feel weird.

Could be. My pet hypothesis is just patriarchy. Traditionally men are higher status than women. A lower status person imitating a higher status person can come across as cute and harmless. A higher status person imitating a lower status person may come across as lowering himself (guys are often afraid of looking effeminate). Or it can look like making fun of the lower status group, which is a bad look for different reasons.

Well, I could be wrong, and I don't know what to do about it. I'm generally for singing whatever you want, but I guess it depends on the situation and the song.

In the OP's case--if you really want to do this song, and the singer's not feeling it--I'm guessing the band also has some guys? Why not have one of them sing the song? Even if he's not a "real" singer, surely he can pull off one song. If the one singer's doing all the singing, her voice could probably use the break. And it'd add a little variety that might make up for the less-than-perfect voice. I've seen a number of bands where a sideman will take just one song, and I've always enjoyed it.
 
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I think it just depends on the singer. My singer doesn't want to do songs with male vocals, so we don't. I think she would sound fine, but she doesn't and she's the only one who can make that decision.
 
I'm sorry. Where's the 'male dominance' part again?

Locked Out of Heaven

Bruno Mars

One, two, one, two, three
Oh yeah yeah
Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, uh!
Oh yeah yeah
Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, uh!
Never had much faith in love or miracles (miracles) uh!
Never wanna put my heart on the line, uh!
But swimming in your water is something spiritual (spiritual) uh!
I'm born again every time you spend the night, uh!
'Cause your sex takes me to paradise
Yeah your sex takes me to paradise
And it shows, yeah, yeah, yeah
'Cause you make me feel like, I've been locked out of heaven
For too long, for too long
Yeah you make me feel like, I've been locked out of heaven
For too long, for too long
Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, uh!
Oh yeah yeah
Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, uh!
You bring me to my knees
You make me testify, uh!
You can make a sinner change his ways, uh!
Open up your gates 'cause I can't wait to see the light, uh!
And right there is where I wanna stay, uh!
'Cause your sex takes me to paradise
Yeah your sex takes me to paradise
And it shows, yeah, yeah, yeah
'Cause you make me feel like, I've been locked out of heaven
For too long, for too long
Yeah you make me feel like, I've been locked out of heaven
For too long, for too long
Oh oh oh oh, yeah, yeah, yeah
Can I just stay here?
Spend the rest of my days here?
Oh oh oh oh, yeah, yeah, yeah
Can't I just stay here?
Spend the rest of my days here?
'Cause you make me feel like, I've been locked out of heaven
For too long, for too long
Yeah you make me feel like, I've been locked out of heaven
For too long, for too long
Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, uh!
Oh yeah yeah
Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, uh!

I dont know...that's just what her objection was.

I don't know about "dominance" or not, but it's an interesting song to be the sticking point. The singer's problem isn't something that can be fixed by switching pronouns; it sounds like her problem is that it's not the kind of thing a woman would say. There isn't even a half-baked effort to make the sexual imagery subtle, and it's the kind of metaphors one uses of women (open or closed gates, etc.).

Morgan James sings "Sledgehammer" nicely, works musically. The song's imagery is most definitely from the male perspective, and that sits a little uncomfortably sung by a female, at least for me, if I'm listening to the lyrics. But people very often don't listen to the lyrics, and a good melody and groove go a long way. So ... I'm ok with this song as performed here, but it does lose a little in translation. Personally, I often swap pronouns if the song works that way. Some songs don't work if that's done.



Funny, compared to "Locked Out of Heaven," "Sledgehammer" has a really rich repertoire of imagery, and it isn't quite so caveman-obvious, though anyone who's listening would get the point. Seems like that would make it a much easier song for a woman to pull off. And again, the issue isn't pronouns.

Could be. My pet hypothesis is just patriarchy. Traditionally men are higher status than women. A lower status person imitating a higher status person can come across as cute and harmless. A higher status person imitating a lower status person may come across as lowering himself (guys are often afraid of looking effeminate). Or it can look like making fun of the lower status group, which is a bad look for different reasons.

Well, I could be wrong, and I don't know what to do about it. I'm generally for singing whatever you want, but I guess it depends on the situation and the song.

Patriarchy may be a dimension of the phenomenon. I'm reluctant to call "patriarchy" unless it's a more clear-cut phenomenon than this. I can definitely see the reaction of a man worrying about seeming effeminate and therefore weaker if he adopts a woman's voice in a lyric. But even apart from the power relation, I think there's still something prior going on. If a woman sings a love song, originally sung by a man, to a female audience, it doesn't normally occur to anyone to wonder if she's a lesbian or in any way not feminine.

When I was learning to direct plays in high school drama club, my instructor put the typical dilemma bluntly; the problem with casting is that in too many plays, the majority of characters are male (which, no doubt, is a function of patriarchy, yes), while the majority of people who show up to audition will be female. I'm hypothesizing that, for whatever reason, women/girls embrace roleplay and impersonation to a degree that men/boys don't, even when (as in drama and movies) there's plenty of opportunity to play the hero. Maybe power dynamics do have something to do with it, but I don't see how offhand and I'm reluctant to reach for that as a default explanation.

In the OP's case--if you really want to do this song, and the singer's not feeling it--I'm guessing the band also has some guys? Why not have one of them sing the song? Even if he's not a "real" singer, surely he can pull off one song. If the one singer's doing all singing, her voice could probably use the break. And it'd add a little variety that might make up for the less-than-perfect voice. I've seen a number of bands where a sideman will take just one song, and I've always enjoyed it.

Seems a very sensible solution. Bruno Mars is dang high, though.
 
My band incorporates mostly male material being sung by a female. We also stylistically rearrange songs to make them sound more appropriate for an acoustic setting. I think having a female vocal helps bring new light to the songs.



This video shows us playing an old Aerosmith song at a very upscale party. The lyrics are of course super suggestive. The singer even says the word “poon-tang” and no one seemed bothered.

We work on average 4 to 6 gigs a week, and half of those are private events.
 
An unfounded one. The proof is in the pudding (it isn't a 'gender-specific' song). It seems to me she just doesn't like the song and is looking for an excuse not to sing it.
I suppose there are some sexually suggestive metaphors if you want to stretch to make that connection.
"But swimming in your water is something spiritual (spiritual) uh!"
"Open up your gates 'cause I can't wait to see the light, uh!"

I don't think it really matters. The singer is just telling the story, they are a narrator, not a character, even in first person music.
^^THIS^^
 
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I'm in a new band and the set list is being put together. We have a female singer who is apprehensive about Bruno Mars' "Locked Out Of Heaven" because she feels the lyric is male-dominant and she can't get the emotion right. My last band played it with a female vocalist and I don't think anyone cared. Maybe she changed it to suit; I dunno because she was the type of singer who was utterly incomprehensible.

Are lyric genders an issue with your projects? I get that dudes can't really pull off Pussycat Dolls' "Doncha", but are legitimate setlist contenders being passed over because of gender pronouns?
Nah, when I was playing with a touring female singer she covered "Kiss a Girl" by Keith Urban and just changed the lyrics to suit. I even sang backup and nobody seemed to care if we sang kiss a boy or girl.
 
There is no gender in Locked out of Heaven? Not single mention of male or female....there's some lyrics that could have 2 meanings, but nothing that a lady couldn't be singing to a bloke.

Our female singer does My Sharona, Sweet Child O Mine, Billie Jean, Cosmic Girl, Hurt So Good. No lyric changes. no one cares. They just want to sing along to their favourite guilt pleasure.....and 95% of the audience is female.
 
Being a woman who has sung it, I'd guess it's the "your sex takes me to paradise" part. That's typically not the way women talk about men. Also, the overall concept of being "locked out of heaven" is a euphemism for not getting any sex. But it's not egregiously explicit or anything, so I didn't have a problem with it.
In public, anyway.:D
 
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Morgan James sings "Sledgehammer" nicely, works musically. The song's imagery is most definitely from the male perspective, and that sits a little uncomfortably sung by a female, at least for me, if I'm listening to the lyrics. But people very often don't listen to the lyrics, and a good melody and groove go a long way. So ... I'm ok with this song as performed here, but it does lose a little in translation. Personally, I often swap pronouns if the song works that way. Some songs don't work if that's done.


Here's another male-vocals song Morgan James covers. I think this one works, too. It doesn't hurt that she has a heck of a voice.
 

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