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mac or pc help

I'm already running windows vista (legally) and I find it far superior to the mac. I have both PC's and Macs. I find no use for the mac since I am primarily a gamer and even though Macs can do boot camp, to me it isn't worth it because I don't feel like rebooting my computer to play a game. One thing I couldn't believe is when I reformatted to vista last month, it detected and installed the drivers for my M-Audio fast track usb. I was pleasantly surprised because the the XP driver barely worked.

I am just rambling here but, in my eyes the PC is just as good as a mac. I've been using PC's all my life and have never encountered any significant problems. Not even viruses, and I do a lot of file sharing.

I suggest get vista when it comes out, it is a huge improvement over windows xp and far more reliable.

Those are just my thoughts on the matter.
 
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but umm.. I tried Vista Beta 2 and 1.. and to say I was not impressed at all... and even to add to it, it was using 68% of my 1 gb of ram by simply using MSN and Windows Media Player.. maybe they fixed that issue.. still I don't know.. I re installed XP.. And still waiting for a mac :hmm:
 
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but umm.. I tried Vista Beta 2 and 1.. and to say I was not impressed at all... and even to add to it, it was using 68% of my 1 gb of ram by simply using MSN and Windows Media Player.. maybe they fixed that issue.. still I don't know.. I re installed XP.. And still waiting for a mac :hmm:

I saw that video. I consider most of those common sense features. Apple just beat microsoft to it.

I was a beta tester for the Vista betas and they were mostly ****, true. The RTM is vastly improved. The guy on this site I think does pretty good reviews of each category of features. http://www.winsupersite.com/vista/ The only problem I've had with the RTM is that there aren't proper audio drivers for the Creative X-Fi sound card yet. I'm in an IT department for our company and I am pushing for them to upgrade as soon as possible to the latest Microsoft software and OS. Office 2007 is so much better it's incredible. Vista is stable and easy to use.

I also said I don't choose Mac because I'm a gamer. Mac is **** for games and bootcamp isn't worth the trouble when Vista kicks ass.
 
Specific reasons that it's "far superior" to the current version of OS X.

I poorly worded what I said. What I meant to say, is Vista is far superior...in my opinion. Mainly because it can play all the games I have. From what I have read, they are technically equals but both have their pluses and minuses.

I'm running a mac right next to my main machine (which happens to be an alienware). I see no benefits from using the mac. The interface it pretty but nothing particularly special.
 
I used PC's for around 10 years. I recently purchased a Mac and I'm in love with it. I don't have to fiddle around with settings and pref's. I don't experience software conflicts like I did with PC. Also, I don't really worry about viruses and spyware like I did with PC. Running all those programs on my PC really slowed things down a lot. My Mac is really fast.

One major problem I had with my PC is that I felt like I was spending more time maintaining it than I was enjoying it. "Mystery" programs began to run in the background (and there were no viruses). I found myself spending hours on the Internet trying to figure things out. If you know what "Msconfig" means, then you know what I'm talking about.

My Mac allows me to enjoy myself more than I ever enjoyed my PC. I used to be a Mac hater (for no good reason). Then we got Mac iBooks at work. I couldn't believe how easy everything worked. It's amazing. Sometimes I'll be sitting and watching TV with my wife and I'll say something like, "Don't you just love our computer?".

Mac = good. ;)

Joe
 
Glad you guys like your macs. I don't like them because they can't do everything I need to do. I'm not saying they are bad, they just will never be for me. To each his own, right?
I have a Mac in my office because I do cross-platform development. It was new when they got it for me just under two years ago. Makes a great iPod! That's about it though.

I tried to like it. I really did. I just couldn't get around the atrocious mouse acceleration curve. It was maddening trying to use the mouse. I would constantly miss the points I was trying to hit because once you slow down to a certain point, it feels like you're dragging it through quicksand. You can't change the mouse acceleration on a Mac, apparently. I'm not sure why. It's been part of Windows since 3.1. By the time I found a 3rd party app that fixes it (one you have to pay for), I was done with Macs.

I decided that I would use it only when I had to. Turns out, thankfully, I haven't had to use it in over a year for anything work-related. Like I said, makes a good iPod for my office.

- Dave
 
I have a Mac in my office because I do cross-platform development. It was new when they got it for me just under two years ago. Makes a great iPod! That's about it though.

I tried to like it. I really did. I just couldn't get around the atrocious mouse acceleration curve. It was maddening trying to use the mouse. I would constantly miss the points I was trying to hit because once you slow down to a certain point, it feels like you're dragging it through quicksand. You can't change the mouse acceleration on a Mac, apparently. I'm not sure why. It's been part of Windows since 3.1. By the time I found a 3rd party app that fixes it (one you have to pay for), I was done with Macs.

I decided that I would use it only when I had to. Turns out, thankfully, I haven't had to use it in over a year for anything work-related. Like I said, makes a good iPod for my office.

- Dave

Wow, you explained it better than I could. I thought maybe I was crazy about the mouse feeling so weird. That is a huge gripe I have against macs. The mouse on macs just doesn't feel right. Moves all wrong. Seems like a small thing but mouse movement is important.
 
Er, you can adjust the mouse behavior. Just like in Windows.

You guys sound like guitarists who pick up a bass and say "this sucks, it only has four strings!"

I have messed with the mouse settings a lot on mac. They just never get the same as windows. As was said earlier, it feels like quicksand.

I figure why use mac when it can't play games and Vista has all the stability of a mac and with a prettier interface. Not play-school like the mac. I also feel that Windows promotes the learning of more technical know-how of computers. In this day in age, people need to know all they can about computers.
 
I know not everyone is willing or able to deal with getting Linux up and running, but I think it's worth mentioning.

With a little learning, and a little work, Linux can far outperform Windows running on the same hardware. Add to that a suite of excellent open source software just coming to market/release, and you have a great deal of upside.

For instance, running a window manager called Enlightenment, I'm able to have my entire "windows" system running in 15 MB of RAM. That's right -- 15 MB. At times, my WinXP system (dual boot) can be using between 75 and 150 MB for the same functionality.

There are some pro studio quality audio apps, and specially tuned kernels designed and built explicitly for recording.

Check out Ardour Link Removed , Rosegarden www.rosegardenmusic.com, and jack http://jackaudio.org .

FreeBob runs my FirePod better than the Presonus drivers in Windows, and the set of apps above provide an end-to-end MIDI and audio workstation. All that for exactly zero dollars.

If you don't feel like taking time to get up-to-speed it's not for you, but if you don't mind getting your hands a bit dirty, Linux is a great option.

There are some run-from-CD Linux distros out there -- I recommend giving it a try.
 
Maybe you should take this to the "gaming" forum?

Oh, wait.

I got off track about the gaming stuff. PC's still have the vast majority of the market, therefore there is more support and selection of software. I still believe the pc is a superior platform when it comes to most things. Macs are limited in their hardware and you can't customize their internal components as much as you could a PC. That alone gives a huge variety of hardware configurations. You can't build your own macs, you can build your own PC's though. I would say mac is better for video editing and graphics than anything else. As I said earlier Windows also promotes technical know-how, which is very important these days.
 
While I hate to continue what was already a ridiculous conversation, it's Friday before Christmas and a good 2/3 of my company is on holiday break. If I can't be drinking fine Belgian ale in the office, at least I can argue on the Internet.

PC's still have the vast majority of the market, therefore there is more support and selection of software.
You're still stuck in the gamer world. PCs having a big market share only matters if you're talking about an industry model based on repeated sales of new software titles. It makes no difference anywhere else, and certainly has no bearing on the merits of either platform from a technical standpoint.

Macs are limited in their hardware and you can't customize their internal components as much as you could a PC. That alone gives a huge variety of hardware configurations.
This would only be noteworthy if Mac hardware was substandard or if Macs weren't actually PCs running a different BIOS and OS. But most of what grants a huge variety of hardware configurations is the expansion bus and Macs have had PCI and firewire for years now.

It is true that you can choose from a wide variety of memory and disks and CPUs when building a PC. Consider the end result though, and think about it in terms that don't involve being able to eat at McDonalds for a week with the money you "saved" building a low end PC. Are you really gaining anything in terms of features or stability by being able to build your own PC that is unobtainable in the Mac world?

You can't build your own macs, you can build your own PC's though. As I said earlier Windows also promotes technical know-how, which is very important these days.
Windows promoting technical know-how doesn't preclude the Mac from doing the same, and you really should be careful to not confuse the hardware and software side of things.

Becoming a crackerjack PC technician doesn't elevate you to godhood, it elevates you to the level of an appliance repairman. Knowing how to build a computer is frankly not the herculean task in 2006 that it was fifteen years ago. In fact, the toughest thing about building a PC is wading through the marketing hype to figure out what the components are really capable of. Actually assembling a working machine and installing the OS after purchase only becomes mildly annoying if you're dealing with substandard hardware or drivers.

You also need to consider that a lot of the "technical know-how" one gains from years of working on PCs is very specialized and applies only to PCs themselves. Things like knowing about CAS latency, being able to troubleshoot IRQ problems (yes, it still happens), the ability to overclock that extra 20MHz out of a CPU.. none of those are useful outside of the computer world, and all of them are solved problems if you're using a Mac.

You mention Windows (the OS) promoting technical know-how but in comparison, I feel that much more can be gained in terms of useful technical knowledge from using Unix regularly.