This is the reason utopias never work. It's also the reason most government systems only last a bit more than 200 years and guess what- that's where we are. 223 years after the Constitution was ratified by Vermont, the last state to ask for admission to the union.
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Man shot reaching for license.
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This is the reason utopias never work. It's also the reason most government systems only last a bit more than 200 years and guess what- that's where we are. 223 years after the Constitution was ratified by Vermont, the last state to ask for admission to the union.
The driver did turn quickly into the car but the cop shot him in the back without any warning. Hard to justify.
One thing I'm noticing about cops is how young so many of them are. They don't get paid much and when they start having families many go on to other work right about the time they have some decent experience. So sometimes you end up with the guy that will do it for cheap. And when they do things like this people get bad attitudes about them, justifiably so. But then when they deal with a cop they bring that attitude and the cops start feeling disrespected. The cops are already dealing with people when they are at their worst. Who calls a cop when they're having a great time? So it seems like a downward spiraling cycle.
One thing I'm noticing about cops is how young so many of them are. They don't get paid much and when they start having families many go on to other work right about the time they have some decent experience. So sometimes you end up with the guy that will do it for cheap. And when they do things like this people get bad attitudes about them, justifiably so. But then when they deal with a cop they bring that attitude and the cops start feeling disrespected. The cops are already dealing with people when they are at their worst. Who calls a cop when they're having a great time? So it seems like a downward spiraling cycle.
It's a crappy job. As much as I dislike academic hospital politics, at least nobody tries to kill me. They get to deal with department politics, people who want to kill them, and a general public that has zero appreciation for them.
WHAT????!!!!
This is one of the most clear cut loose cannon things ever filmed! That guy didnt do ANYTHING to be responsible for this outcome. PERIOD.
Little you know. Once I subdue you and assimilate you into MY utopia you WILL be happy.
Umm, I'm having a hard time understanding your POV on this one. Unless there is some extended clip to show otherwise, The victim did exactly as he was told. I'm not sure where you're seeing that he was non-compliant anywhere in this video. There's no point in this clip that the officer is even on a public road. It looks like he's about to leave when he reverses and confronts the man.
I mean you have to give it to the guy. After being shot and handcuffed he apologizes to the officer while he was still being hassled about his friggin drivers license.
Don't forget how the general public does nothing but whine about any retirement pension or wage increase. Frankly, I'm surprised we have as many good cops as we do.
Really? Really??
So I guess he went from blameless ordinary citizen to the victim because he apparently missed the compulsory training on SOP for responding to a cop's command to produce ID and for that he bears some of the blame? Really? Really??
I pray this is an attempt at sarcasm or at least irony, because I find it difficult to imagine any American citizen thinking some kid on his way home from work is somehow to blame for being shot by a nervous cop who obviously lives in a constant state of siege mentality.
By your "logic" I/we bear some amount of responsibility if we get shot up trying to obey a cop's command? Should be able to read their mind, or is it the body language, or perhaps it's the "vibe" they are projecting that we should be responsible for reading prior to making a move to obey?
Are you implying we should assume our lives are in danger in every encounter with a cop? Is it up to us to keep from being shot when a cops tells us to produce ID?
If a cop tells me to produce ID, I'm going to reach for it and assume I'm innocent and therefore NOT subject to being shot by a cop so afraid he couldn't even hit a stationary target at less than 10 feet.
When I hunted a lot we has this thing we called buck fever. It was a level of excitation so high it prevented you from making an accurate shot. In my time in the USMC I've seen the exact same thing triggered by fear. Someone hear the sizzle of a round passing their head and they go full on panic and just pull the trigger and point in the general direction they think the round came from.
slobake
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The guy could have done a better job in responding to the cop but his actions in no way justify shooting him.
We will all stick copies of our passports on all sides of our cars, and carry a pair of handcuffs so we can tie ourselves up and throw ourselves face-first unto the tarmac as soon as we are pulled over just o we don't get shot? Or all wear bulletproof vests to protect oursleves to police bullets? Maybe we shouldn't drive cars anymore, maybe we should shoot the cops if we don't like the way they grab their shiny badge? Please. PLEASE.
slobake
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The average age of US soldiers in combat is 19- what's your point? They don't send rookies out on their own, AFAIK, so this kind of thing doesn't usually happen until the officer has a bit of time under their belt.
I can't imagine being a cop and NOT beign completely stressed out as soon as I get up in the morning. I had a neighbor who was a motorcycle cop and we used to talk all the time. He used to say "I don't know why people move out of here, it's not really a bad area". Yeah, well, one day, he went to a gas station/store on his day off and some pinhead walked in, announcing that it was a holdup. My neighbor told the guy to take it outside and when they walked out, the pinhead shot him six times. Wayne returned fire, killing him with two shots. This same store was in the news recently for criminal activity and it's in a bad area. They moved so fast, they left a vapor trail.
We can't know what was going through the cop's mind when this happened. He could have panicked, he could be a White Supremacist, for all anyone knows. It could have been a mental breakdown but the guy moved a lot faster than any cop would want and sudden movement is NOT what anyone should do when a gun is aimed at them.
The fact that people disagree about this proves that perception is key. I see sudden movement when a cop has someone at gunpoint and I don't think "This should end well". OTOH, that happens all the time and nobody ends up dead from gunfire. Never said it was justified.
Little you know. Once I subdue you and assimilate you into MY utopia you WILL be happy.
HA, I say, HA! I refuse to conform to your utopian schemes because I have some of my own. HA!
I'll watch it again, but I saw the guy move faster than he needed to. If you watch a lot of police videos, they almost always tell people to move slowly and I have witnessed this with suburban and Milwaukee cops, the latter not known for being light-handed. In fact, MKE had an incident four months ago where a homeless man was shot and killed by a cop across the street from City Hall. Why the cop had to shoot him 14 times, I don't know but they haven't finished the investigation, so no ruling has resulted.
We have had several cops convicted of excessive force, homicide, dealing drugs, corruption, kidnapping, etc and, OTOH, we have had people ride up to cops on bicycles and shoot two cops in the face, someone shot at a police station not long ago, ambush them, intentionally crash into them and when a shooting happens, absolutely refuse to cooperate and then, when some of the same people lose a family member to gunfire, they make all kinds of noise about "Where were the police? They should have stopped it from happening?". We had 10 shootings last weekend with one fatality. One was a 14 year old who refused to cooperate- WTH is that? Another was 19 when he was killed in a dispute and from age 12-18, he had 15 prior arrests. We had two guys in a shootout last Spring- one rode up on a bicycle, saw the other and start shooting. This was on a street in front of an elementary school with a playground full of kids and adults. A 10 year-old was shot and killed. The guy on the bike had been released three years earlier, after spending 10 years in prison for killing someone else.
When kids are starting that young and they don't care who they shoot, I can't see how a cop can go long without either needing a long break or to leave the force because of the stress, anger, fear, etc.
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You're being ridiculous. All we need to do is cooperate and not become belligerent when there's no reason- when asked for a license, hand it to them, or have it ready before they get to the window but don't make them think they'll be shot. Why this one drew his gun so early, I don't know. Hard to say- he may have wanted attention- seems to work for criminals.
I would bet that if someone has a bad attitude about cops is going to make it known if they're pulled over more often than necessary. I don't know your experiences, but I have worked in retail for a long time, sometimes in malls. The BS the cops have to deal with makes me wonder why anyone would want to be one. Being pissed and spat on, having feces thrown at them, attacked, run over, shot, stabbed and for what? So they can get off with an incredibly light sentence? Arresting the same dirtbags repeatedly would piss me off, too.
But the cop didn't have him at gunpoint when he turned around....which was complying to his demands.
That cop is a jerkoff who shot at a guy six times while probably pissing his pants, and instead of being charged with attempted murder is facing aggravated assault...
