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Marcus Miller type compression

Looking for a similar compression to Marcus Miller's without the $1200 price tag. I don't use compression much (once in about five years) and this is my weakest area in effects knowledge. I'm looking for a vintagey almost sounding squish like Marcus Miller.

Looking around $100-150 tops for something like this, new or used. Maybe a punch factory? I'm not too sure.
 
Demeter Compulator.
Optical compressor. Smooth and squishy if you would like. Or real subtle.

The cats nuts IMO.

About $200-$225 new. I think the Groove Shoppe has them in stock and new for the $200.

Used, when they do show up, which isn't often, is right in your price range.

http://www.demeteramps.com/
 
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Note he did say that he is looking for "similar compression to Marcus Miller's without the $1200 price tag", sorry if I implied that he did use the EBS multicomp but I thought it would be the best shot at getting that MM compression in hid price range.
 
tplyons said:
Looking for a similar compression to Marcus Miller's without the $1200 price tag. I don't use compression much (once in about five years) and this is my weakest area in effects knowledge. I'm looking for a vintagey almost sounding squish like Marcus Miller.

Looking around $100-150 tops for something like this, new or used. Maybe a punch factory? I'm not too sure.

Tim,

I'm not familiar with Miller's work but IIRC the claim to fame for the Distressor is that it gives that gritty "tube-like" compression, ie compression with distorted harmonic overtones.

Is that what you are looking for?

If I got it right, perhaps you should look in your own back yard- the EHX Black Finger.

I have heard that some of these are noisey and some are quiet. However, you are looking at a pedal where one tube handles compressiuon and the other handles the GAIN. That would seem to tend to lend to that style of tone.
 
Tedintheshed said:
Tim,

I'm not familiar with Miller's work but IIRC the claim to fame for the Distressor is that it gives that gritty "tube-like" compression, ie compression with distorted harmonic overtones.

Is that what you are looking for?

If I got it right, perhaps you should look in your own back yard- the EHX Black Finger.

I have heard that some of these are noisey and some are quiet. However, you are looking at a pedal where one tube handles compressiuon and the other handles the GAIN. That would seem to tend to lend to that style of tone.
Considering it, but it's a tad bit too rich for my blood. As you can tell, I'm totally lost when it comes to compression though,
 
Actually, the links you might find most useful are on the last post I made in that thread, including all kinds of discussion here on TB and a good article on compression from Electronic Musician magazine. Also, while what you say about HC reviews is generally true, I found a lot of useful criticism and low scoring in the range of compressors. That's why my list of the "best-reviewed" units was a tiny fraction of the total list of reviews. Perhaps if I find some more free time (or if you or anybody else does) we could make a list of the compressors that claim to offer "tube sound", for easier comparison. Unfortunately, I think all of the good ones are above your price range. Maybe just keep your eyes peeled on the used market for a good deal?
 
tplyons said:
As you can tell, I'm totally lost when it comes to compression though,

Fretlessrock (pete) was really a huge help for me when I got into compression. Here is something he wrote, that I have addended, that may help you out:

[FONT=&quot]Compression has 3 basic uses (the first two are very similar), from what I have seen:

1) Speaker protection
2) Signal leveling
3) "Squash" effect

All of this is accomplished through the basic function of a compressor- gain reduction. This is how they compress the dynamic range. Some compressors have an adjustable amplifier on the output that provides "make up gain". This is why some folks think that a compressor makes a signal louder. The amplifier made the signal louder… period.

You usually have a few controls on a compressor:

Ratio: the amount of reduction applied for a given increase in signal. The higher the ratio the higher the reduction. 1:1 equals no compression. 3:1 means that you get 1/3 of the actual increase in signal strength. Infinity means that no matter how big the input signal gets, the output signal gets no larger.

Threshold: What point the compression actually starts happening. If you set the threshold low the compressor starts working quickly. If you set it low with a high ratio you will get a very steady output (though low) no matter what the input signal is. This is how you get a super-squashed sound.

Knee: Hard Knee is where the compression comes on very quickly near the threshold. Soft Knee is where the compression come son in a gradual manner. Most soft-knee settings actually start compressing before the threshold setting.

Also, some compressors have a display for gain reduction, and sometimes it is a multimode display that can show other parameters. I really like to have an indication of the amount of gain reduction being applied. It makes it easier to set the compressor correctly.

In Use:

The least audible use is a soft knee with the threshold set high and the ratio set low. This will keep the big peaks down and leave most of the dynamic range intact. The actual setting for your application will be a function of the input signal level, the range of the input signal, and the output device sensitivity. Again, when you set the threshold the threshold is fixed at that setting, so the sound of the compressor changes with changes in input level.

For Example:
Using volts instead of dB, for clarity, say you set the threshold at 1.5V and the ratio at 4:1. As you approach 1.5V the gain reduction starts, and as you go from 1.5 to 1.9 the output level actually goes only to 1.6 (because 1/4 of the 0.4V increase was allowed). If you have a level that swings from 0.5 to 1.8V you will only get compression at the peaks with a range of 0.5 to ~1.6V. If you engage an effect that boosts the range to 1.0 to 2.3V your range is slashed to 1.0 to ~1.7V, and you hear compression earlier. You didn't change any settings but the compressor will be more of a factor in the final sound.

As for where to put a compressor... I wouldn't take any advice other than "try it a few ways and see what sounds best", because that is what you are going to have to do anyway.


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+1 on the Levelar. I almost posted earlier suggesting it but I've been ridiculed previously for my love this little tube based gem. It's easily my favorite compressor.

BTW, I have a Demeter Compulator that I'd part with if you're interested (but not my Levelar-- you'd kave to pry that one out of my cold dead hands. Well, OK, I'm really not as passioante about it as *that*, but you get the picture-- I like it.:p )

PM me re: the Compulator if you're interested.