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Markbass Schematics

here's my only problem with this whole markbass not being forthcoming thing...they make really wonderful sounding stuff ;) i've heard that their compressore is one of the best sub-$500 compressors ever, and of course, most of their heads sound great. it kind of pains me to see all this because i always root for companies that make good stuff at reasonable prices. i think it's time for markbass to let go a little, huh?
I couldn't agree more, Jimmy. I hope that Peter or some other MB person is monitoring this thread and they get off of their high horse...the lack of meaningful dialogue from MB has all but eliminated the possibility of my purchasing-or recommending-any of their products, regardless of how well they may sound. In my opinion, it's really a shame, but that's life-companies come and companies go. On a positive note, kudos to all of the manufacturers that regularly participate here...their concern for their customers and their 'bend over backwards' efforts at standing behind their products does not go unnoticed.

Kim
 
I agree, also; customer service (CS) is number 1 in these kinds of situations. As much as I love the Markbass gear I own I may jump ship and go with GK, who has much better CS, and is made in my country, something that is somewhat important to me.
 
I couldn't agree more, Jimmy. I hope that Peter or some other MB person is monitoring this thread and they get off of their high horse...the lack of meaningful dialogue from MB has all but eliminated the possibility of my purchasing-or recommending-any of their products, regardless of how well they may sound. In my opinion, it's really a shame, but that's life-companies come and companies go. On a positive note, kudos to all of the manufacturers that regularly participate here...their concern for their customers and their 'bend over backwards' efforts at standing behind their products does not go unnoticed.

Kim

+1 and amen brother! And I am not even asking them to bend over backwards. I am not asking them to fix it, I am not asking them to pay for it, I am not telling them it is junk because it broke - none of that at all...
Their problem is servicing a customer out of warranty and away from Guitar Center. It is a shame. I have used SWR for about 23 years and this is my first experience away from SWR. Really makes me glad I did not get rid of my SWR, that is for sure
 
OK...
MB won't release their Schematics to non-authorized Service Techs, and many are PO'd about it, especially those DIY'ers who routine service their own stuff. Fine, I get it. Very valid points. Not an issue for me, but I totally understand how it can be important to someone else.

What I don't get is - What do you hope to accomplish by repeatedly dogging the Co. by accusing it of terrible customer service & ragging on it's Rep.(Peter Murray), so vehemently ?

Let's examine the issue.
MB has made the Corp. policy decision to protect their technical/intellectual property by refusing to routinely supply their schematics to other than Authorized Service reps. Rightly or wrongly, totally within their right. Other Co.'s feel otherwise, that's their right. Perfectly valid positions, either way.
Like it, hate it, or be ambivalent about it, up to you. But that's the way it is.

Use this info, if you like, as the tipping point for not purchasing MB products in the future. -Great, absolutely credible and totally within your right as consumers. I get it.
In fact, maybe even laudable for following your convictions. But to claim that MB Customer Service stinks because of this one issue...well that's going a bit far, don't you think ?

-Customer Service-
It's my understanding that MB has a very simple, Consumer Friendly, refund/replacement Policy, for original purchasers:

1. Refund- a no questions asked refund, within 30 days of purchase, on returned equipment. Don't like the sound...bring it back. Hate the yellow color...return it. Get in a financial bind...don't keep it.
Expansive, all encompassing, and non standard in the industry. Sweet !

2. Replacement- The Original Purchaser can bring an under warrantee (2yrs, I believe) defective amp to any GC and get an immediate new replacement without hassle. No prolonged Inquisition...no couple of weeks to verify. Bring in the defective piece to a Nationwide Chain, and walk out with new equipment...simple.
- Seems like awfully good c/s to me, as anyone who has suffered through dealings with multi-leveled bureaucracies and extended repair - take a number waits, with other Co's can attest. And again, in my understanding, not a routine practiced in the industry. Very easy & generous policy.
btw- I own a LMII & SA450...both bought used here on TB, therefore, no warantee. -I understood & accepted that, going in. To paraphrase KJung in an earlier post...sometimes the best warrantee is a solidly built, nicely priced product that is reviewed favorably by your peers, has an excellent track record of reliability, and doesn't routinely need customer servicing.
Granted, the need for a schematic is an off-Warrantee, very specific issue and not covered under the above. But it's a small part of greater whole...Customer Service.

Why all the Peter Murray bashing ?
Why jump on a MB Customer Rep/RD guy, and fellow tb'r - Peter Murray, who is readily accessible and routinely offers help / guidance on this forum ? He's one of the few reps, of any Co., who repeatedly monitors the site and is willing to answer questions, offer suggestions, and sometimes even intercede on a tb's behalf. Very generous, in my estimation.
Calling the guy out, for failing to respond or side with you on this one issue, is unfair IMO; especially since this is a Corp/legal decision, and not within his purview of experience, job description or expertise.
-Seems to me that some of this has gotten rather personal.
Is it any wonder that many Co's and their reps. shy away from such public forums, when we can't refrain from such attacks ? Sometimes, unfortunately, we reap what we sow.
FWIW- I don't know the guy. I never met / nor had dealings with Peter Murray. I have, however, been enlightened with some of his posts and impressed with his readiness to help.

I guess what I'm saying guys, is : let's keep it civil and try to refrain from unfounded generalities and accusations. Such misinformation, IMO, can only hurt your cause. Remember, you're hoping to persuade MB to reexamine and modify their policy re: schematics. Such decisions take time because they probably have far reaching implications for the Co. So, keep your eye on the prize and act accordingly. Ranting at the principals is uncalled for, and ultimately, counter productive. Even a very valid point of view can be dismissed when it's presented in a hostile manner.
Just my 2 cents.
 
Hi.

I've been avoiding posting in this thread, mainly because it makes absolutely no sense to me, but I do have to say that mrphattay nails it.

When I joined TB a few years ago, I was amazed to see how MarkBass was praised beyond belief, ESPECIALLY for their compact SMD design. There were a few old-time techs who expressed their feelings about the serviceability of such designs, but they were told off, rather rudely at times.

I had no doubt that there wasn't going to be schematics available for such designs, ever, so I do my damnest to stay away from them.

That hasn't gone too well though ;).
I recently bought an EA iAmp 500 project from a fellow TBer, and it seems that the power amp has bitten the dust. I've been in contact with the EA tech department and they've been more than helpful, but not in a million years would've I asked for schematics. Not that it would've made much difference, class D designs of that era aren't that DIY friendly. I still have my hopes up, we'll see.

What I've learned from other than MI equipment, SMD boards are rather unrepairable, especially if the component tolerances are critical. Since everything tends to affect everything, good chances are that once a handful (or even one) of critical components are replaced, the device is either non-functioning or the reliability is comporomized.

My hats off to OP if You and your relatives can get the amp working, reliable enough that you can sell it with clear concience, but based on personal experience with such devices I doubt that.

Regards
Sam
 
The reason that people are frustrated about MB company policy are:
* They make a great product but some don't feel taken care of due to policy that can only benefit the coproration; i.e. repairs only get done by a few repair centers
* This policy is not consistent with industry standards -this is my frustration
* They have had a very positive and frequent presence on this site but now have completely and conveniently disappered

Ironicaly, this also happened (at least for some period of time) when another company introduced and amp that had problems with the first versions; people had questions and concerns but otherwise very vocal reps did not get involved; I think it would have been better for these reps to at least address the problem and/or to just say we're sorry.

Big picture - glad to see reps visit this site at all, and am glad to have great equipment available at fair prices, schematics or not
 
Everytime I have pm'ed Peter, he has responded. Not saying I was happy with the response but he did answer my question. I wonder if the OP's brother can apply to become an authorized repair center? My local tech guy is always getting these authorizations, so maybe it's just a question of demonstrating capability and technical knowledge ?
 
well i for one will enjoy my lmii until it costs more to fix it than it's worth, then i will throw it out. i'm old...i remember throwing out 2 year old computers that cost $2000.

of course, computers ain't amps, so at this point i'm already way ahead of that 286 i used to have. but still, my svt is 41 years old and counting. makes you nostalgic. if i get at least half that much out of the lmii i'll be happy, but they have more to lose by the secrecy than not.
 
Jimmy, you raise an interesting point of definition.

It comes down to disposable vs. capitol purchase. That's two completely different worlds. And the expense profiles are also completely different. In a disposable world, initial purchase is inexpensive and service is called replacement. In capitol purchase you're dropping serious coin up front and it is a product that is expected to be able to be maintained.

Both are perfectly sane. Caveat emptor.
 
Just an update for anyone who cares anymore about this. My repair guy (this case my brother) recieved a schematic from Italy for the markbass 800. They sent an incomplete schematic without any of the power amp section (which of course is where the problem for this one is) and some of the numbers were missing off the drawing. So, they sent an incomplete incorrect drawing. Now we are waiting to see if they will send the rest of the schematic or send a complete different schematic to be able to complete a repair.