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Martial Arts anyone?

#221
I'm not sure about other styles but a hapkido trait is to "dance" as it is labeled here. This movement is highly encouraged to distract and confuse the oppenent from identifying the intent.

I believe asian MA is far more efficient in use of energy. I've done kickboxing for many years and it was the best for fitness so far, mainly because it's so darn wasteful. Hapkido and Kung Fu not only use energy effectivley but tend to use the opponents own energy against them.

Hapkido encourages constant foot movement, changing from defensive to offensive positions etc.

So for that reason i disaagree that the dancing is all show.

Is it better to sit like a duck?

As for the demonstrations, you could see that as an artists display of skill, mental and physical disipline.

The western militaries have more toss factor than anyone, big bands, flags all over, and yet there's a dig at asian fighting being all show? No disrespect to our military in any way but there's some serious hypocricy here.

Everything can seem useless untill you understand why. Except bridge covers on vintage fenders (foam can go under strings also) and the stupid chrome mouldings on 50's american cars. Aren't they for show?
 
#223
I've trained in Kempo, JuJitsu, Enshin Karate, and Muy Thai, earning black belts in Kempo and JuJitsu. The thing I learned is that the man makes the art, the art does not make the man.

That means any style of Martial art can be beaten. It is the practitioner that makes the style work.
 
#228
I think that discussion of martial arts all too often ends up in a "my daddy can beat up your daddy" type argument. This sucks because I would actually like to learn a little about different martial arts rather than argue about which is most effective or lineage.

That having been said, I agree with the people that said martial arts are a tool or a skill set to be drawn from, rather than an end all. There are just too many variables in a fight to teach someone "how to fight" or "what to do if..."

[insert hesitation to post anything in this thread here]
 
#229
The daddy thing can happen but this thread apart from a few earlier posts has been at least a bit educational. Hearing from other people who practice in other styles is very cool.

I hope you guys keep this thread going with more of the good stuff. Most "real" martial arts practitioners I've noticed become very humble and hard to upset while the ego sticks with the wannabees.

The last so many threads make a lot of sense
 
#230
The collective EXPERIENCE of everyone who learns the same art, is greater than the one individual learning parts of it ;)

Brian Jr. said:
I think that discussion of martial arts all too often ends up in a "my daddy can beat up your daddy" type argument. This sucks because I would actually like to learn a little about different martial arts rather than argue about which is most effective or lineage.

That having been said, I agree with the people that said martial arts are a tool or a skill set to be drawn from, rather than an end all. There are just too many variables in a fight to teach someone "how to fight" or "what to do if..."

[insert hesitation to post anything in this thread here]
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First you are confusing "martial art" with "learn to fight". The two are not necessarily dependent on each other.

Which is why so much debate exists. Everyone has different goals they wish to achieve from the arts so argue from vastly different perspectives.
 
#231
Just to drudge up this old thread...:D

I have about 6 or 7 years of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, 3 years of Aikido, about a year of Japanese Jujitsu, dabbled with some karate, and some more recent American kickboxing. T

he Aikido was basically dancing in a gi. At the time I thought it was badass, that is until some guys tried to jump me at an outdoor festival years ago. Nothing worked except a hip throw and foot movement, so I didnt take much damage but it was essentially worthless.

The BJJ is much more reality-based with a live resisting partner but even that has a sport side to it thats not practical. Boxing, muay thai, or kickboxing with some wrestling/bjj training is the way to go in my opinion. Or actually any training that incorporates a resisting opponent, most martial arts dont. Go watch a kids karate class demonstration...youll see people getting flipped all over the place but it doesnt really work that way.
 
#232
I studied Tang Soo Do for about seven years or so. Then I get into Wado Ryu. I did that for almost four years. I also studied a little Judo and Jujitsu but they were just more of a hear and there type of thing.
It's hard to find a good place to study as there are so many soccer moms and litle kids that many places end up becoming belt factories.
I've thought about getting back into it but much of the desire is gone.
 
#234
I see it's an old thread, but regarding the effectiveness of particular martial arts on the street, it all depends on what you practice in class.

If you practice sparring, then you'll be better at controlled competitions with rules and limits that prevent you from hurting your opponent. It's good for building strength and endurance but it also reinforces reflexes and techniques that are less than useful in a street fight.

If you're in one of those McMartial Arts schools that emphasizes "good energy" at the expense of hard work, then you're basically not learning anything of value in a real fight. At worst, it might give you a false feeling of confidence ("I have a black belt. And I'm so good that it only took me 10 months to get it!") that will get you severely beaten by someone who knows how to throw a punch.

The school where I learned concentrates on so-called "impact fighting" as self defense on the street. It's pretty simple in concept: constant drills against opponents unarmed or with simulated knives, bats, guns or other weapons, because this is exactly what one expects in a street fight. The assailant has vulnerable points on his body, such as a knee, groin, bladder, ribs, solar plexus, elbow, throat, neck or temple and you attack those points as forcefully as possible with the intention of disabling him as quickly as possible. The school also has a relatively high dropout rate because the training is more physically demanding than most students are used to from other schools, but that's the cost of effectiveness - it's hard work.

Since the Master is disciplined in numerous martial arts, he incorporates different arts as he sees fit into the classes, the only criteria being: that it be effective for self defense. Naturally, many of the high kicks and fancy combinations are discouraged because, while they look great in a movie or score points in a competition, their use in a street fight is more likely to get you in trouble.
 
#240
Depth_Charge said:
The collective EXPERIENCE of everyone who learns the same art, is greater than the one individual learning parts of it ;)


First you are confusing "martial art" with "learn to fight". The two are not necessarily dependent on each other.

Which is why so much debate exists. Everyone has different goals they wish to achieve from the arts so argue from vastly different perspectives.
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This is a good point. I've been in various martial arts for 15 years. Just about every school I've been too has had people of the same rank or time at the school who could fight and who you knew would just have their ass handed to them. I've yet to be a part of a school where everyone of a similar rank seemed to have the same ability level as far as fighting. Theres is a lot about fighting that is only learned from actually fighting.

IME the best actual fighters are the guys that aren't afriad of getting hit or even beat and on some level even enjoy being in a fight. I guess enjoy is too strong, but I can see in their eyes they are in it and calculating and not like the average person who just worried about getting away or not getting hurt.

I've seen quite a few, "paper tiger," martial artists, who when push came to shove really couldn't handle themselves. I think they thought being in a class and getting a belt would make them magically behave the best way in a fight.
 

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