Explain yourself.
In BJJ I got kneed in the face, headbutted, and elbowed by accident all the time. Got a few black eyes. Judo isn't much different.
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Martial Arts anyone?
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Explain yourself.
In BJJ I got kneed in the face, headbutted, and elbowed by accident all the time. Got a few black eyes. Judo isn't much different.
Impressive! You've managed to completely miss my point, but in doing so, strengthened it.
A judoka isn't used to fighting, he's used to practicing Judo against Judo practitioners.
So some random guy on the street who's had a few bouts has a better chance of winning than someone who knows what they are doing?
The guy facing you isn't pulling a knife, he's not trying to punch you, knee you, kick you, grab your hair, kick you in the balls, etc etc etc.
When it comes down to it, someone who has experience fighting on the street is who I'd put my money on if he were to fight a judoka on the street. You can disagree, and that's ok
Common street fights:
(ignore the horrible music)
i.e. a bunch of untrained idiots flailing about.
If you couldn't take them with your judo experience, then you must have not been paying attention. Tell your uncle to slap you.
Granted, you'd be pretty stupid to start a fight with some guy or even give in to his provocation, but if you're betting on some random guy, then that's equally stupid.
(ignore the horrible music)
i.e. a bunch of untrained idiots flailing about.
If you couldn't take them with your judo experience, then you must have not been paying attention. Tell your uncle to slap you.
Granted, you'd be pretty stupid to start a fight with some guy or even give in to his provocation, but if you're betting on some random guy, then that's equally stupid.
Ahh, the I have no idea what I'm arguing against anymore but I'm sure the other guy is wrong so I'm going to continue with my bread and butter sarcasm tactic. Shrewd.
I took TKD as a kid and more recently American Kenpo. I never really followed through with either of them. When I was a kid I used to go to work with my dad and one of his employees used to spar with me (bareknuckle boxing). I was just 12 and he was like 35. He took it really easy on me, but the most important thing I learned from him is to not lose your head when it's being punched repeatedly
He didn't actually take many head shots on me
He didn't actually take many head shots on meThe guy facing you isn't pulling a knife, he's not trying to punch you, knee you, kick you, grab your hair, kick you in the balls, etc etc etc.
When it comes down to it, someone who has experience fighting on the street is who I'd put my money on if he were to fight a judoka on the street. You can disagree, and that's ok
Yep, of course it is.
When any unregulated fight situation occurs, you really can't expect a martial artist to treat it as they would treat it in the dojo. I'm not ashamed to say I ended fights in real situations by rubbing gravel in their face or by sticking my fingers up their nose and pulling hard. Any martial art is only designed to give you the edge over the other guy... it's not the be all and end all of training you to fight.
For striking judoka can use their atemi-waza techniques. When dealing with someone who's wielding a knife the best move is to run away. Even if the art you study is specialozed in disarming a person with a knife you should still run away.
There's a hell of a lot of gems in there, I totally agree. The physical fitness and coordination you'd gain from doing capoeira would give you a lot of advantages over many other martial artists. I can't count the number of guys I've seen at dojos that, IMO, are walking heart attacks and would be out of breath after 1 round of sparring.
Thank you. That's exactly what I'm saying and people have a hard time understanding. You're not bound to your martial art. Just because you know BJJ doesn't mean you're going to butt-scoot up to someone and armbar him.
I read your post and understood "There are some good things in every MA, therefore none of them should be dismissed as being bad."
If that's not what you meant, then get your ass in a school to learn some communication skills.
I love seeing people butt-scoot in MMA. Don't see it so much in UFC where everyone has to be at least somewhat competent (being that it's the top of the game now they've absorbed Pride and all 
) but definitely in lower ranked promotions and amateur MMA. I've seen two fights where one guy is "the grappler" and one guy is "the striker," but for some god awful reason the grappler's takedowns suck so he butt scoots around and expects the guy to come to the ground with him.
My favourite was the second one, where the scooter actually ended up in that position twice because he tried to do flying double-leg kicks, and "the striker" just kind of...stepped out of the way.
) but definitely in lower ranked promotions and amateur MMA. I've seen two fights where one guy is "the grappler" and one guy is "the striker," but for some god awful reason the grappler's takedowns suck so he butt scoots around and expects the guy to come to the ground with him.My favourite was the second one, where the scooter actually ended up in that position twice because he tried to do flying double-leg kicks, and "the striker" just kind of...stepped out of the way
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When 2 martial artists bow to each other, then approach cautiously in a safe and consensual environment, that is not fight training. Both people understand each others strategies, available techniques, and how to say enough is enough.
You do not have that level of insight facing a 7 foot 300lb pissed off biker.
That is the difference.
Actually, IME, yes you can expect that. which is why most end up on their heads wondering why their skills failed them!
And good on you for doing that too mate, fighting is dirty nasty business. Gentlemanly duels starting at ten paces and cautiously executed are not, which is what most martial arts are best suited to IMHO.dlloyd said:
Best optoin Morf. Each to their own mate. As some people have said, just don't have so much of an open mind your brain falls out.Yeah. I'll let you guys think what you will.
I'm lucky to have met the right people at the right time who have helped me find my place in the arts as far as how things relate, and don't relate. Thats all I wanted, not to change the world or anyone else's views, but to learn what works where, and doesn't. Too many people make too many assumptions and stay stubborn for too long on too many opinions, IMO!!
Oh, and all martial slash fighting arts are useless for conflict resolution since they assume the fights already started. IMNSHO...
