I have the super 300. it's preamp tube overdrive. so early 70's warmth clean sight harmonic open overdrive. I've thought about The SV has the tube power amp and the cab sim.. so late 70's warmth and grind. I pepper's pedal Sho(zvex)- Mossvt That does grind into fuzz. Tech 21 Bddi v2 is to me- the sloppy trashy punk sound. put the into any of the svt.. and it tightens it up. The Frank Bello is the that 80's hardcore-metal sound, prolly pretty close to what you have - the clank. I add a steel leather to that for insane clank-clang. So I going say go the super 300 if you gain stage your stuff.. and SV if you want the standalone.
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Master Effects Super 300 vs Origin Effects Super Vintage
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I have both the Super 300 (had it for 6-7 years) and the Origin SV (had it since December) and used to gig SVTs (both a CL and a 70s original) as my main amps many years ago and have played with them as backlines many times since. The Master Effects is truly great (prefer it to all the Tech 21 and Helix etc SVT pedal options I've tried), has all the SVT preamp features and essentially sounds like a solid-state version of an SVT-CL preamp to me including the way it breaks up (preamp gain). The Origin on the other hand does a pretty amazing solid-state impression of an entire vintage SVT rig (ie the clipping happens after the EQ section in the "power amp" emulation part of the circuit based on how hard you push the EQ and Drive, vs the ME-300 and SVT-CL that have preamp gain as their most commonly heard clipping).
The Origin is probably the most impressive "amp-sim" pedal I've ever tried, and quickly became a mainstay on my main band's pedalboard while the ME-300 made it on a few boards but was never one I settled on among other options (part of that is that I actually love the cab-sim on the DI in the Origin, and the ME doesn't have an XLR for the DI). I still like the ME, but probably should move it on at this point as its become clear the Origin isn't going anywhere and I don't need both.
Some potential negatives about the Origin besides the price (not issues for me, but might be for others): the cab-sim can't be turned off on the DI without turning off the pedal entirely (I suspect they'll update this at some point on newer units since the Origin Fifteen has a cab-sim bypass option), the Origin lacks some of the EQ settings from an SVT (less Midrange freq options, no "Ultra-Lo" switch, no "Bright" option), if you are used to an Ampeg SVT-CL then not having an input Gain and the way the drive changes depending on EQ as a result might be off-putting (setting the ME-300 is less interactive since the EQ is post-clipping). The Origin does have clean blend and a low-cut option not found on an SVT (well the Bright Switch is partially a "low cut", but implemented differently).
The Origin is probably the most impressive "amp-sim" pedal I've ever tried, and quickly became a mainstay on my main band's pedalboard while the ME-300 made it on a few boards but was never one I settled on among other options (part of that is that I actually love the cab-sim on the DI in the Origin, and the ME doesn't have an XLR for the DI). I still like the ME, but probably should move it on at this point as its become clear the Origin isn't going anywhere and I don't need both.
Some potential negatives about the Origin besides the price (not issues for me, but might be for others): the cab-sim can't be turned off on the DI without turning off the pedal entirely (I suspect they'll update this at some point on newer units since the Origin Fifteen has a cab-sim bypass option), the Origin lacks some of the EQ settings from an SVT (less Midrange freq options, no "Ultra-Lo" switch, no "Bright" option), if you are used to an Ampeg SVT-CL then not having an input Gain and the way the drive changes depending on EQ as a result might be off-putting (setting the ME-300 is less interactive since the EQ is post-clipping). The Origin does have clean blend and a low-cut option not found on an SVT (well the Bright Switch is partially a "low cut", but implemented differently).
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Does anyone know the weight of the O. E. pedal? I assume the
M. E. pedal is about the same weight as a Sansamp?
M. E. pedal is about the same weight as a Sansamp?
Thanks! Slightly lighter than my SCR-DI (2.6 pounds) but still hefty.
Since I'm mostly after doing the stereo Rickenbacker thing, I've thought of 3 options:
1) get the SV and the Super 40
2) get the Super 300 and the Super 40
3) get 2 Super 40 pedals.
Option 1 is the most expensive but I would be able to use the SV as a stand alone unit when I'm not using my Rickenbacker. Of course I could do that with the other options but I think it would be best. Decisions, decisions!!!
Since I'm mostly after doing the stereo Rickenbacker thing, I've thought of 3 options:
1) get the SV and the Super 40
2) get the Super 300 and the Super 40
3) get 2 Super 40 pedals.
Option 1 is the most expensive but I would be able to use the SV as a stand alone unit when I'm not using my Rickenbacker. Of course I could do that with the other options but I think it would be best. Decisions, decisions!!!
I’ve never been a huge Ampeg guy, but i know the sound and i’ve done enough gigs where that was the sound the BL or artist wanted.
I’ve had the Catalinbread SFT, the Origin SV (twice), used the SVT models on the Helix, and various captures on ToneX pedals.
The only one of those i’ve ever really been happy with, that made me think “okay, this is pretty awesome” was the SV.
Just a great sounding pedal that actually sounds and feels like the full rig, on both IEMs and in-house.
I’ve gotten close with the ToneX after playing with various IRs, but with a lot of knob tweaking and resigning myself to live with “good enough”.
Whomever made the comment about most amp-in-a-box pedals being recreations of the preamps is on the money.
Lots of great tones to be found, but they don’t sound like the full package.
Get the SuperVintage. Ideally Origin will drop a version soon with the cab sim bypass because who doesn’t love a little more flexibility.
I’ve had the Catalinbread SFT, the Origin SV (twice), used the SVT models on the Helix, and various captures on ToneX pedals.
The only one of those i’ve ever really been happy with, that made me think “okay, this is pretty awesome” was the SV.
Just a great sounding pedal that actually sounds and feels like the full rig, on both IEMs and in-house.
I’ve gotten close with the ToneX after playing with various IRs, but with a lot of knob tweaking and resigning myself to live with “good enough”.
Whomever made the comment about most amp-in-a-box pedals being recreations of the preamps is on the money.
Lots of great tones to be found, but they don’t sound like the full package.
Get the SuperVintage. Ideally Origin will drop a version soon with the cab sim bypass because who doesn’t love a little more flexibility.
I will say a lot of the time the Rickenbacker thing is an Ampeg on the neck pup and a Marshall/Vox/Orange on the bridge pup. I think of Chris Squire, specifically.
This was a longtime internet myth- in reality, Squire clarified many times in interviews that he only used the stereo outs of his bass for different effects then mixed them back together in mono for his amplifiers (he did sometimes send his mono signal to both his old Marshall rig mixed with an Ampeg starting sometime in the late-80s, before that he used Sunn/Marshall for awhile and Fenders for years). Still an actual stereo rig can sound cool.
Ah, I see.
I love the bass sound on Mew's "Glass Handed Kites" and that's how the bass was recorded; more specifically a Marshall up top and SVT down low.
Always been a fan of British or SS drives for the top end, and grew to like Ampeg's syrupy sound in the lower part of the spectrum.
I love that Mew record as well. Never knew it was recorded that way!
I saw them a couple of times playing those songs and he just played through SVT-CLs as I recall, sounded great but certainly not quite like the record. I’m a big fan of crossover drive tones, for me at least it seems to work better than stereo pickups for the “driven highs, cleaner lows” thing
I reached out to Origin Effects. I asked if they were planning to update the Super Vintage with a cab bypass, like they did with the Fifteen. Here's their reply:
We do not have any immediate plans to update these models.
Many Thanks, Jacob
Digital Content Creator & Product Specialist
So I hope that's helpful to anyone else who's considering the SV.
As for me, I think I've decided that I will also get the SV. The Master Effects Super 300 is nice but I just feel like Origin really nailed it with their Bassrig line. As soon as I sell my Stomp, I'll make the purchase. As for the Master Effects Super 40, I'll be getting that one, too.
Many thanks to all who replied with their opinions. Feel free to continue the discussion if you want to.
We do not have any immediate plans to update these models.
Many Thanks, Jacob
Digital Content Creator & Product Specialist
So I hope that's helpful to anyone else who's considering the SV.
As for me, I think I've decided that I will also get the SV. The Master Effects Super 300 is nice but I just feel like Origin really nailed it with their Bassrig line. As soon as I sell my Stomp, I'll make the purchase. As for the Master Effects Super 40, I'll be getting that one, too.
Many thanks to all who replied with their opinions. Feel free to continue the discussion if you want to.
Yeah that was more or less their response when I asked the same in the Bassrig Fifteen thread, though the way he phrased it there made me suspect it was more diplomatic than anything (not wanting to make owners of older units feel put-out by it). To me it doesn't make sense not to do so given it is a common critique and something they already did in the Fifteen. For me the cab-sim on the SV just works great, and is exactly what I'd want from a "cab-sim" so not really a big deal at all whereas the Fifteen cab-sim (and a B-15 cab in general) is maybe a little more quirky IMO. I've mostly given up IR-based cabsim circuits after trying hard to love them for a few years (apart from in studio environments sometimes), so having a nice simple analog cabsim in a DI like this is great for me. The Ampeg 810 is not to everybody's taste, but after first owning one (a beat up dog of one) at 20 it quickly became "the perfect bass EQ" for me regardless of bass or amp I used (and particularly when playing with dirty tones).
I don't think you can go wrong with either the Origin or ME, but if you are looking for "that vibe" I think you will love the Origin.
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I have experience with Rickies and I have really heard the tone you’re after a lot. lol I would say if possible try the yyz tech 21 pedal. A lot of people like it. You can also try the Laney digibeth preamp. GED himself used Laney equipment when he was playing his 4001. I have an SCR-DI too and if you like it it’s kinda a unique ampeg tone that the real thing is going to get you the best result. The closest to the geddy sound I ever got was actually through a gk plex preamp with the amp sim circuit engaged. It has 5 amp sims. It captured the right balance of beefy low end but no mud so the zingy mids really came through. I also have an ebs microbass 2 that seemed to fit well with getting the late 70’s early 80’s permanent waves tone. Also if you can find one you can bi amp it because it has 2 input channels you can blend together or run separate.
I've considered the YYZ pedal but having used the VT Bass pedal in 3 iterations for more than a decade, I think I want to move on from tech 21 and I really love the Exit... Stage Left Rickenbacker sound so that's why I want to try the Super 40. The Ampeg sound for the neck pickup or a J or P bass is the basis of this thread. I'm pretty much sold on getting the SV but I gotta sell my Stomp first.
That is the tone. I just mentioned the gear I had that got me the closest to that sound but honestly I don’t think it’s as gear sensitive as it is having steel strings and the right attack on the ric. The rest sort of takes care of itself. I have an ampeg now but no ric. If I did I’d absolutely be trying it out to see if it’ll do that punchy geddy tone. How he did it was getting 2 different eqs from 2 different amps and I believe one was a svt and the other either a Laney or a Yamaha guitar amp. They used whatever they could get thier hands on so it was all over the place. I also would agree that a lot of that can be consolidated into one good modern preamp thx to how far along the technology is now.
Update: I received my Super Vintage last night. I was out at a gig and it came. I got home at 12:30am and I had to get up at 5am today but what's a guy to do with that thing just sitting there? I played for just about 20 minutes. I plugged the XLR out into my interface and wow... Just WOW!!! This thing sounds awesome. I'm looking forward to playing with it more tonight and at Thursday's rehearsal. So far, I'm impressed!
yeah it really is amazing what they were able to do with that circuit! I was very skeptical when it first came out and all the TB early-adopters raved about it, but I am very much a believer now
Another update: I spent several hours with my new Super Vintage pedal last week stuck at home due to a typhoon. Ironically, I spent most of that time using my P bass and Geddy jazz bass as opposed to my Ric but I really got to know the pedal more and I think it's amazing. I used it at a rehearsal the other day. The funny thing was that the room my band rented had an SVT 450 and 8x10 so it was kind of redundant to use this pedal but I wanted to try it. I had previously only used it with headphones and I wanted to hear it loud and proud. I connected it to the "power amp in jack on the back of the amp. This disables all the controls so I could hear the pedal itself. It was clear and powerful. I've used that amp many times before and I actually think the pedal sounds better. Next I used it yesterday at a gig. Friends in the audience said my bass never sounded so clear yet present, yet not overpowering the rest of the band. I actually used it with my VT Bass DI just to add a bit of ...I don't know... something extra. Well, again I was quite happy with the results. Someday when I get the Master Effects SC-40, I'll replace the VTDI with that and we'll see. I think it will be a good combination. Overall, I'm very happy with my purchase, thankfully since it definitely wasn't cheap. I still can't believe I spent that much for one pedal but the quality is certainly a step or two above what I've used in the past.
