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Maybe I just don't "get it" when it comes to "boutique"...

That said, two of the guys that seem to be huge influences on many effects using bassists, Justin Chancellor and Chris Wolstenholme both use pedals that are now out of production and/or rare in the Bass Whammy, Deep Impact and Animato (I think) among others.

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And these are guys that tour with techs that can repair stuff that breaks. Their gear is shipped from gig to gig in semis and at an expense that most of us can't afford. That's no dig at the big leagues. I'd love to be in that situation.

That said; I agree that J.C. and the like are probably more in tune with their gear then the guys that come in from out of town in a van to play a small all ages club/bar.
 
I'm thinking about a current (yesterday and today) thread about the Aphex Punch Factory, where James LoMenzo came in and said it was a fantastic pedal, one of his favorites.

One the one hand, my opinion of it is very different. OTOH, he's a famous and successful touring artist with worldwide recognition.
 
I have to agree with Bongo on the "case by case" statement...everythng is so subjective to the individual that's using it...I'm guilty of buying pedals just because they get good reviews here, or because they have a boutique name on them, or because i'm a gear junkie and just want to try it out...and after spending some time with them...I'm like "meh, what's the big deal?"...

and then there are these little mass produced gems out there that (IMO) just sound fantastic. You just have to go with what you like, Keep an open mind, and not get too hung up on the whole boutique thing...They can be cool, but not always the perfect fit for everyone...
 
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And these are guys that tour with techs that can repair stuff that breaks. Their gear is shipped from gig to gig in semis and at an expense that most of us can't afford. That's no dig at the big leagues. I'd love to be in that situation.

That said; I agree that J.C. and the like are probably more in tune with their gear then the guys that come in from out of town in a van to play a small all ages club/bar.

At the end of the day it's like asking why we see so many pros with Fenders when they can afford much higher end/boutique basses. Sometimes it's because they've discovered that's the best tool for the job and sometimes it's because they've had early success with what they had and never looked (or had the ability) to upgrade.

keep in mind that neither the bass whammy nor the deep impact are "boutique" effects. They are mass-produced effects that are out of production. Big difference.

True, but I was just using it as a counter to the idea that pros used readily available gear to avoid having the problem of a hard to replace pedal fail on them at a gig.

I'm thinking about a current (yesterday and today) thread about the Aphex Punch Factory, where James LoMenzo came in and said it was a fantastic pedal, one of his favorites.

One the one hand, my opinion of it is very different. OTOH, he's a famous and successful touring artist with worldwide recognition.

Good point. I arbitrarily decide that he's right and you're wrong. ;)

I think the truth is simply that it might be a case of differing tastes. I respect Tayste's opinions but he has very different tastes than I do on most pedals. Likewise, grygrx has a different playing style and preference for tones/levels for fuzzes than I do. I still love to hear his opinions but always realize that gear will sound very different through my rig and my playing style and with the kind of settings I like.

I liked the Punch Factory when I had it, it was a good "always on" compressor for adding just a touch of transparent, but thickening compression, but it was lousy at blocking big spikes from filters etc.

I also imagine that despite their status James and Jonas haven't tried nearly as many compressors as you have. They've likely played through a ton when recording but that doesn't mean they've asked the recording engineers/producers about each one and made mental notes on each one.
 
gotcha. sorry i snapped

ooop,....just caught this,....no worries.

boutique pedals have been important to bass players in particular because let's face it, there arent many GREAT mass-produced distortion effects for bass, and envelope effects by the big producers seem to miss the mark more often than not as well. So smaller companies, from "boutique" to "garage" really do us a favor when they customize an effect for bass guitar. We need all the options we can get.

This is also an insightful revelation. I have a Supercollider specifically for it's bottom end and the fact that it seem tailor made for bass applications. Perhaps a BBM would have been the cheaper equivalent but my Supercollider sounds so good.

I'd like to point out that whenever I get the opportunity to support a little guy; I do. EHX, Boss etc. have plenty of customers of which I am one. In some cases if the mass produced effect sounds right to me then the major pedal manufacturer is appropriate. Guys like Os (Music ElectroniX) and Mark (Earthbound Audio) are also trying to put food on the table. When I can afford it; I don't mind the extra coin to help these guys stay afloat. Consider it "paying it forward".
 
ooop,....just caught this,....no worries.



This is also an insightful revelation. I have a Supercollider specifically for it's bottom end and the fact that it seem tailor made for bass applications. Perhaps a BBM would have been the cheaper equivalent but my Supercollider sounds so good.

I'd like to point out that whenever I get the opportunity to support a little guy; I do. EHX, Boss etc. have plenty of customers of which I am one. In some cases if the mass produced effect sounds right to me then the major pedal manufacturer is appropriate. Guys like Os (Music ElectroniX) and Mark (Earthbound Audio) are also trying to put food on the table. When I can afford it; I don't mind the extra coin to help these guys stay afloat. Consider it "paying it forward".

To me, "supporting the little guy" also does play a part as well. Some boutique builders have always seemed like such good people. Others to add: Richard Cartwright at Chunk, Ryan at Dr. Scientist, the folks at Diamond and though there was one very negative account from a TBer, Dave Koltai has been really cool in my interactions with him. There are a bunch of others I'm forgetting but you get the idea. And Bjorn from BJF/Mad Professor is just too weird - in a good way (as shown in the fuzz movie) - that I can't help but want to buy stuff from him.

Side note: The Supercollider (I believe) wasn't designed for bass but for doom/sludge/detuned guitar. But given that it makes sense that it works so well for bass.
 
I'm skipping posts, so forgive me if what I say has already been said before.

I tried out a Mastrotron and also a Distrotron. I agree, the Distrotron was bland sounding. The Mastrotron was just kind of weird. Like, terrible weird, but I was into it. However, I'm sure other people who weren't into my style (not that I really had one) probably thought it just sounded like noise.

On the other hand, I also tried out a BBE pedal (I can't remember which one, but I think it had a simple control layout) that sounded really good. Of course, I was playing guitar, but still, it goes to show you that just because it's expensive, doesn't mean it sounds better.
 
Only pay as much as you have to in order to get the product you need. For me, that means I have go more esoteric routes. I wish I were easy enough to please that I could have a bunch of Boss and MXR and be pleased as punch. But, I need options those companies aren't offering.
 
The fact is - especially when we're talking about fuzz pedals used on bass and also filters and phasers - it's pretty difficult to find something that will work for a bass player in a band context and still sound good soloed.

My favourite fuzz sound on bass, god's honest truth, is the USA Big Muff. It's a beautiful sound, the perfect fuzz, but my god it doesn't work in a band at all, you just get swamped.

Whereas the most practical fuzz I've ever had was the MXR Blowtorch. Most settings sound utterly uninspiring soloed but add guitarists and suddenly it makes sense. I still sold it, but y'know...

I ended up favouring the Wren & Cuff Pickle Pie 'B' for my Muff sound, because the on-board blend and the range of the tone control combined to make a lot of sense on bass. Ultimately I ran out of a reason for having a "trad" fuzz on my board so I traded it for a Woolly Mammoth, but it's a great bass fuzz if the Sovtek sound is the kind of thing you're after.

As it stands, my two fuzzes now are from Chunk Systems and Z.Vex, but I have much more use for gated fuzz than I do traditional fuzz, so my choices aren't really typical.

Similarly with filters, the reason I ended up with a Meatwad as my main filter was precisely because it was so tweakable. Some much cheaper filters sound great alone, and I mean really great, and in certain situations they sound great with a band too, but if your guitarist changes his sound you disappear - poof! You're gone.

That's why people go with "boutique" sometimes. Because they've tried the standard stuff and found it just doesn't work that well for most bass players.
 
It is what it is.

I have had Boss, MXR and EHX pedals on my board. I have also had boutiques on there.

The wonderful thing is that tone is subjective, so there is no right and wrong answer. Some tones that were in vogue when I started playing 20 years ago are now considered crap, and some tones in vogue today would be laughed at 20 years ago.
 
I was in Geetar Schmenter yesterday primarily to test out dirt pedals. I started by trying out the ones suggested around here.

First the Distortron: Not a bad pedal. A little bland sounding to be completely honest. Also the pots were all really scratchy. I'm fairly sure that was only a problem with that unit though.

Next the Mastortron: After about 45 minutes of tweaking I found a few decent fuzz tones. I was incredibly annoyed by how difficult it was to adjust the settings due to the TINY KNOBS and even TINIER SUBS SWITCH. I literally had to use my fingernail to change the subs setting. In the end I don't think any of the sounds I got were really all that incredible.

Then to the Way Huge pedals: My opinion on both the Swollen Pickle and the Pork Loin is the same. Sounded like a Russian Muff with absolutely no bite. I suppose I should point out that I like heavy cutting dirt.

Finally I tried out a Russian Muff just to compare the sound to the "boutique" clones. Head and shoulders above any of the dirt sounds I'd gotten from the more expensive pedals. I may have to pick one up now that I can't always borrow one from the bassist in a band that my band used to do a lot of shows with.

In conclusion... my opinions are probably totally uninformed by the standards of the pedal users in this subforum. I like my dirt cheap and heavy.

1) You tried nothing that would qualify as boutique.
2) You tried nothing that was designed for bass.
3) The russian muff is an awesome sounding pedal.
 
I have both, or had both. The list isn't that long, but some are impressive...

Russian Big Muff, Little Big Muff, Human Gear Animato, ZVEX Wooly Mammoth, HBE Hematoma, MJM Britbender, Green Line (heard on my record), Boss DS-1, Hardwire Tube Overdrive, Fulltone Catalyst...

I love the Mammoth, but I never use it. I use the muff, Hematoma and Animato all the time. The britbender is great, but require special power.

Boutique or not, get what makes your sound.