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Mesa Subway 112 VS DNA DNS 112-N

Best 1x12" cab for clean, warm, rich sound?

  • Mesa Boogie Subway Ultralite 112

    Votes: 21 65.6%
  • DNA DNS 112-N

    Votes: 11 34.4%

  • Total voters
    32
I want a small/light 12" cab just for home and small/acoustic gig use... I play an acoustic 5 string bass and want a clean, warm, rich sound that brings out any upright-like qualities.. After considering budget and reading/listening to many videos, reviews and comments, I'm coming down to either the Mesa Boogie Subway Ultralite 112 or the DNA DNS 112-N (yes, Fearless, AK, Barefaced etc are better but my budget isn't there).
Has anyone played through both? Which is going to get me closest to the sound I'm looking for? (I'm using a Trace Elliot AH250SMX head). It doesn't look like there's anywhere close to me (Phoenix) with either cab (or ideally both) to try before I buy, so I'm probably gonna have to buy without hearing it first, so would really appreciate you guys's first-hand experiences.
 
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So between the Mesa and the DNA, which is most suitable for a clean, warm rich sound?
I don't know what the DNA is either, but the Mesa delivers exactly what you describe. The only other cab I would consider for that would be an AudioKinesis Thunderchild which excels at acoustic/upright sounds.

DNA DNS-112 is designed and built by David Nordschow, formerly of Eden. The best 112 cab I have found. Fantastic cabs!!! I doubt there are as many of these cabs in the field as the Mesa so it only makes sense that it won't get as many votes in your poll.
 
I want a small/light 12" cab just for home and small/acoustic gig use... I play an acoustic 5 string bass and want a clean, warm, rich sound that brings out any upright-like qualities.. After considering budget and reading/listening to many videos, reviews and comments, I'm coming down to either the Mesa Boogie Subway Ultralite 112 or the DNA DNS 112-N (yes, Fearless, AK, Barefaced etc are better but my budget isn't there).
Has anyone played through both? Which is going to get me closest to the sound I'm looking for? (I'm using a Trace Elliot AH250SMX head). It doesn't look like there's anywhere close to me (Phoenix) with either cab (or ideally both) to try before I buy, so I'm probably gonna have to buy without hearing it first, so would really appreciate you guys's first-hand experiences.

I am just going to drop a nuke bomb and say that there is no warm and rich tone that is also very clean. Depends what you mean by the word rich but if it is harmonical richness than you definitely need at least a little dirt.
 
I am just going to drop a nuke bomb and say that there is no warm and rich tone that is also very clean. Depends what you mean by the word rich but if it is harmonical richness than you definitely need at least a little dirt.
Interesting comment. I can see where you're coming from but I'm not sure I agree that "dirt" is the only path to harmonic richness, For example a symphony orchestra sounds amazingly warm/rich without any distortion or even amps at all. My (quite possibly wrong) thinking is, I'd rather start with a clean sound then add-in effects as needed, than have a rig that can't avoid applying the same tone over everything. I'm quite happy to be schooled though.
The thing about the Mesa is that in one review I read it said it sounded a little wooly which is concerning... I'll take all the low bass/subsonics I can get but I'm trying to avoid that muffled/boomy midrange sound that many small cabs have, especially the cheaper ones.
 
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Interesting comment. I can see where you're coming from but I'm not sure I agree that "dirt" is the only path to harmonic richness, For example a symphony orchestra sounds amazingly warm/rich without any distortion or even amps at all. My (quite possibly wrong) thinking is, I'd rather start with a clean sound then add-in effects as needed, than have a rig that can't avoid applying the same tone over everything. I'm quite happy to be schooled though.
The thing about the Mesa is that in one review I read it said it sounded a little wooly which is concerning... I'll take all the low bass/subsonics I can get but I'm trying to avoid that muffled/boomy midrange sound that many small cabs have, especially the cheaper ones.

Well it has to do with aliquot tones (and other additive noises that can positively warm up the sound). The more you try to "clean up" your amp by focusing the tonal projection into a specific range the more processed the sound is. Ok I realise that this is a very subjective thing but there is a reason why tube amps sound warmer and more pleasant to the ear than SS amps do - they are better at throwing out the extra harmonic material that adds up to the tone, making it sound richer and therefore warmer.

The word "warm" is subjective as well because you can find people who claim a sinus wave to sound warm. Which in fact it could, if you consider there is usually no special harshness to the "tone" of it. No spikes, nothing.

But when I think of warm, I think of harmonically rich sound, supported by a nice blend of aliquot tones with nice projection and a nice warmth in the mid range area (read: nicely bumped controlled mids). It is how I would describe a nice tube amp sound. Notice that the warmth doesn't come from crazy subsonic freqs, nor does it come from crazy extended high trebles. Most of the warmth to the tone comes from the 175ish + Hz up to around 400-500ish. It is considered the "body" of the bass sound even though your base frequency of the actual tone is way lower than that. So you are actually bumping the aliquots of your base tone to achieve warmth, not the other way around.

Most cabs that are considered very "clean" tend to have a scooped mid (the so called smiley face voicing/EQ) or at least a flat response curve. This inherently contradicts the common definition of a warm tone which in fact focuses and relies mostly on the scooped/flattened region of the clean cabs.

This is also what we like to call hi-fi. A low end and top end pleasant sound with scooped mids to get rid of the unwanted aliquot tones which do produce a slight "dirt" in the sound. This consequently means less harmonic detail, more pronounced base tone with added top end clarity, meaning less "warmth".

You will especially notice this in the mix. A mid rich sound (with pleasant non-spiky mids) will give you that nice buttery feel that we usually associate with a warm tone. When you isolate the bass line the bass may in fact sound relatively dirty and this has nothing to do with actual distortion (which even further accentuates the aliquots). There is just a lot going on in that sound. It really will not want to sound like a clean bass. Most of the old recordings sound that way, especially since it was all recorded with mostly analog tube equipment and lacked the technology to clean up the sound as surgically as we can today. A lot of artists actually relied on this specific tone. One artist that comes in my mind is Eric Johnson. His recent recordings sound A LOT cleaner than they did in the 80s and 90s yet his sound lost basically all character he had back in the day. All because we strive towards a cleaner sound which inevitably means a more processed, smoothed out tone.

A lot of people may argue with this, but honestly you will not convince an "old-school" vibe oriented bass player/musician that you have a very clean and also warm tone. It's not how it sonically works out in your ears.

Hence, the cleaner the tone, the less warmth it will have. It is inevitable.

Pardon my engleesh, hope i was able to kind of clarify this in an understandable way.

Edit: Marcus Miller is known to have one of the most processed and clean sounding bass sound out there. Does it sound warm? Really not. Clean? Absolutely.
 
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For example a symphony orchestra sounds amazingly warm/rich without any distortion or even amps at all.

Also, to answer your question. Try to catch an acoustic instrument (upright, cello, violin, flute /whatever) and record it with a flat response mic and observe which freqs are the most dominant in a spectrogram. You will realise that mostly all of those instruments define their sound width and warmth around the low mid frequency range. There is actually very few instruments that have a functional register above the low mid range (c5 has a frequency of 523.25Hz for example). Well, there are instruments that go way higher but they still produce frequencies below their base note.
 
I have played (and own) the Mesa SW112, but never had the chance to even hear the DNA, so I did not vote. What I would share is that your comment in the OP that Fearless, AK, and Barefaced are better (but you don't have the budget for them) is not a point I would dwell on. They are definitely different in their voicing and design goals, but I think the two options you've settled on are in the same league. For the record I am a fan of Duke's designs and own a C112T as well as a Berg CN212...all in the same league regarding top notch designs and build quality.

My SW112 is an excellent cab by a well known designer and reflects the build quality you would expect from Mesa. To get the most out of that design you can't be afraid to feed it some power and use your EQ to get the tone your'e looking for - it's not necessary to baby the cab. From all I have read from folks I consider credible sources, the DNA is a very sweet cab and its designer certainly has a long history of great products to his credit. I would audition both and pick the one that best suits your tone goals - there is no bad choice between your two candidates IMO.
 
I want a small/light 12" cab just for home and small/acoustic gig use... I play an acoustic 5 string bass and want a clean, warm, rich sound that brings out any upright-like qualities.. After considering budget and reading/listening to many videos, reviews and comments, I'm coming down to either the Mesa Boogie Subway Ultralite 112 or the DNA DNS 112-N (yes, Fearless, AK, Barefaced etc are better but my budget isn't there).
Has anyone played through both? Which is going to get me closest to the sound I'm looking for? (I'm using a Trace Elliot AH250SMX head). It doesn't look like there's anywhere close to me (Phoenix) with either cab (or ideally both) to try before I buy, so I'm probably gonna have to buy without hearing it first, so would really appreciate you guys's first-hand experiences.
Not a question that both of those are fine cabs, but I am a HUGE fan of DNA's DNS cabs, so the DNS-112 got my vote.

I have the DNS410 and it is really the only cab I need. But I don't always need a 410. First time I rolled it into a small Brewpub where we host Friday night open mic nights, the owner's eyebrows just about cleared the top of his forehead and he said that was way too much for his room. Then he pointed to a Peavey 112 combo that he wanted me to use. Used that for quite while and then bought a couple of Eden EX112's and currently just use one of those at that club. Bought them because a friend highly recommended them, they have a great sound, and they were a really low price ($269 each). But now that I can afford it, I'd really like to step up to one of the DNS-112's...maybe 2...OK, probably two, but only one for now.

DNA's DNS cabs are the next evolution of the cabs that David Nordschow designed when he owned Eden. He left Eden in 2010 and started DNA. Because the cab has a very flat frequency response curve, I add a little bit of boost at ~250Hz to get that extra bit of definition and chest thump in the mix. That little bit of boost in the low-mids makes it sound a lot like one of the Eden XLT cabs, but it has a tighter and fuller bottom end, is cleaner, clearer, and more articulate.

I am actually saving up to buy one and eventually two of the DNS-112C cabs. I bought my DNS410 because I couldn't afford to buy two of the 112's and David doesn't make a 212 cabinet. Now that I'm gigging pretty steadily, I've started putting some $$ aside for the 112's. I have one gig where all I need is a single 112 cab and a few others where two of them would be great. I'd still use my DNS410 on the large venues, outdoor venues, and Festivals.

I'm primarily playing a passive Jazz Bass although I will use an active 5-string from time to time.
 
Mesa, hands down. Current production, excellent quality and design, wide availability, strong warranty, available parts, many authorized service centers if needed, factory support, light, excellent sound, many satisfied users, superior resale potential. Standard Mesa emoji :)

DNA (Dead Not Alive). Pretty much opposite the list above. DNA :dead:

DNS (Did Not Survive). Ditto DNA :dead:
 
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