210+115 for just playing at home is overkill... but you know what they say? there's no kill like overkill! If you like it, go for it.
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Right now I am using an Ampeg PF-115LF that I bought used with my PF-50T. The way I am set-up for practice right now, I am basically two feet in front of the cab. Not ideal, as I am practically right above the speaker. It is an option for me to move to a table about 10 feet away, and 30 degrees off access. I should buy a longer cable and try that. I imagine I will get a more representative sound that way.
In fact, I just recently downsized from a 210 + 115 setup for LIVE gigs because it was overkill even for our outdoor big shows we play (thanks to the marvel of in-ear monitors and powerful FOH sound). So I only need to provide a little bit of thump for everyone on stage to feel it
Stand farther away from the cab but also just put your cab up on a milk crate or something to raise it up a little higher. You'll hear our sound more defined that way as well with less low end coupling. Will probably be a win/win situation for you.
I had a 115 on its own for awhile in my practice room and then added a 112. Its an improvement at the same volume. As many say there is something extra with 2 cabs.
I haven't had the time to be involved in a band for a long time. But my TT800/M6 Carbine rig through the Subway 410 sounds awesome. That's my bedroom rig. So I say go for it.
I would have to second this, especially since the op mentioned sound quality as a priority. I've played the 115 alone, the 115x2, the 410, and 410 +115. All combinations sound great, but if you really want the depth, richness and clarity of a fridge, but in a smaller lighter package, then get the 410. You won't be disappointed. Oh and it also gets really loud if you need that too
Right now I have it on an Auralex Acoustics platform. That only raises it about 2 inches.
That's helpful for gigging applications on a hollow stage. For your purposes, raise it up even more. Get a milk crate or a chair or something like that.
Thank you to both of you that mentioned the 410, I hadn't even considered this. Curious what other people think also about this vs the other heads and combinations discussed here. I am curious what the bass is like on this vs the 115, 2 115s, etc.I would have to second this, especially since the op mentioned sound quality as a priority. I've played the 115 alone, the 115x2, the 410, and 410 +115. All combinations sound great, but if you really want the depth, richness and clarity of a fridge, but in a smaller lighter package, then get the 410. You won't be disappointed. Oh and it also gets really loud if you need that too
If a thing is worth doing, it's worth overdoing.
I have the 115 and the 212. The 212 has more mid range, but it compliments the 115 well and there is no shortage of low end. Being that it's a 4 ohm cab it can hold its own since it will be getting the full power. Together, they are a masterpiece and a MASSIVE amount of volume with the WD800. Like the sound guy is absolutely going to be telling you to turn down. The plus side with the full rig in a live setup is that it gets the sound closer to ear level.
However, I've said it on TB several times that the 115 is the gem of the Subway lineup. I would easily rock two of those without a question. I've been using the 115 for rehearsals and it is smooth as silk with plenty of volume and headroom to spare. Every bass I've played through it just sounds amazingly good. You really, really can not go wrong with that cab, plus it's easy to move with one hand.
Thanks for the info. If you were only going to have one cab, in my case for home playing, would you pick the 115 or the 212?
If you consider a 212, keep in mind that the 2 x 112 can be stacked vertically so it has a lesser footprint and is closer to ear level. The top tweeter will be two times higher on the vertical 2 x 112.
Like this : https://www.talkbass.com/threads/me...8-ohms-w-padded-tuki-vertical-covers.1245689/
Like this : https://www.talkbass.com/threads/me...8-ohms-w-padded-tuki-vertical-covers.1245689/
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If this were anywhere from San Diego to San Francisco, I would be taking a road trip tomorrow. The only thing better than the 410 is two of them. https://www.talkbass.com/threads/mesa-subway-4x10-mint.1633051/#post-28044528
Another vote for the 410. It's insanely good.
Hi Peter
I have played all kinds of different cab combinations 10s +18s (bi amped) 10s + 10s
, 10s + 15s and
15s +15s and even 12s and 18s. (and I confess that I even used different brands)
I was always on the run from the mixed cab/ speaker police.
Every combination can sound good. But like Andy said:
It's always best to try before you buy! It can be expensive if you don't. (ask me how Iknow)
You can't go wrong with something you like! => start here!
You get one more! More is always better!
(see below)
Even with two identical cabs you get two "tones" or rather sounds
One sound from the cab that couples with the floor and one different sound from the one on top.
It's the room that does this. Even with the same volume this combination will sound bigger than one cab.
Because one cab can't be in two different places at the same time. (makes that sense?)
You can and should try different placements for your cab! Lifting it above one foot can lighten up your sound
Decoupling it from the floor will make your sound less bassy.
You also might hear yourself better because the speaker is closer to ear level.
Adults use a beer crate (or two next to each other)
I think if you get two 115s (that you like!) your Mesa will sound great!
I also think you should go with two 8 ohm cabs (= 4 ohm together),
and try them with your PF50T. That little beast sounds awesome with two cabs!!!!
have fun
Wise(b)ass
I have played all kinds of different cab combinations 10s +18s (bi amped) 10s + 10s
, 10s + 15s and15s +15s and even 12s and 18s. (and I confess that I even used different brands)
I was always on the run from the mixed cab/ speaker police.
Every combination can sound good. But like Andy said:
It's always best to try before you buy! It can be expensive if you don't. (ask me how Iknow
)You can't go wrong with something you like! => start here!
You get one more! More is always better!
(see below)Even with two identical cabs you get two "tones" or rather sounds
One sound from the cab that couples with the floor and one different sound from the one on top.
It's the room that does this. Even with the same volume this combination will sound bigger than one cab.
Because one cab can't be in two different places at the same time. (makes that sense?)
You can and should try different placements for your cab! Lifting it above one foot can lighten up your sound
Decoupling it from the floor will make your sound less bassy.
You also might hear yourself better because the speaker is closer to ear level.
Adults use a beer crate
(or two next to each other)I think if you get two 115s (that you like!) your Mesa will sound great!
I also think you should go with two 8 ohm cabs (= 4 ohm together),
and try them with your PF50T. That little beast sounds awesome with two cabs!!!!
have fun
Wise(b)ass
If I had to chose between the 115 and the 212, I'd go with the 212 as a one cab solution. With PA support, you will never "need" another cab.
I have a SW210 and stumbled onto a new SW410 at my local GC this weekend. That little voice wanting to complete my "set" was screaming at me to snag it. My OCD is bothered by the different footprint from the rest of the line. Have to assume agedhorse and crew went with with that form to appeal to the 410/810 stack folks, but I would have preferred a taller version of the 210. I DO get to play out of 2 x SW210s nearly every weekend so CAN confirm 410s is indeed glorious. The 10's, to me, sound slightly scooped and are the least mid forward of the line. I kinda dig them for lower volume stuff, and use them for a regular "acoustic volume" jam session.
