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Mexican or American(Fender)...Your preference?

Mexican food and American basses

LOL! :D

I recently had the chance to do a test to 3 Fenders, all jazz basses, 2 MIM's, and one American. I did some setting up and changing strings (that pays my bus to school, LOL).

On of the Fenders its mine, an all stock MIM jazz bass, I have always loved that bass. There are some weak things about it, specially the pickups, are kind of weak, but that's it. The bridge works perfectly (stock), and the tunners do their job quite well (stock too). OK, but this one has had a lot of playing in my ears, so I'll leave the coment in here.

The second one was the MIA (American standard I think). This has been one of the best MIA's that I have ever tested, everything working perfect. I mean, you get the classical buzz from the pickups that almost every jazz bass I have played has. The tunners worked just great, and the bridge perfect. (which is cool when you are doing the setup thing). I think the body-trough option on the bridge does it a happier bass, but the difference it's almost thin. The paint job and the fret dressing was just right, nothing awesome, but over there it stands very well against my MIM.

The third one, another MIM.

WOW.

But you know, this bass costs almost the same as a stock MIA, why? It has the Badass bridge II (which I did felt something better than the other two bridges, plus it has something about the setting up making it more accurate, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION), it has Gotoh tunners, they have done a good luthier job on the frets to level them (making it the best low action bass I have ever played), and the final spot: Lindy Fralin pickups with different pots, all of this done by an excelent luthier.

man, the sound, feel, and look on that third bass was sick (ALMOST, like a Joe Osborne bass I played in the past). of course, it needed a good custom work done in it to sound and feel like this. I mean, it's a regular MIM bass, that's it, add the rest to the equation, and there you have one extremely good sounding bass, that reaches a high price, but not as pricey as the MIA brother (that over here reach some hilarious prices).

That beeing said: yes, MIA's have a better resale value, but who gives a damn, the bass is for you to play it until it breaks. I have always thought that it's better saving up money and buying new, better than selling and trading.

On the weight factor, all of the basses have the same weight to my shoulders, and let me tell you, I had the chance to do the test for a week, playing them all, setting up them all, and using the same fingers...

:D

P.S. I think the factory in México its older than the factory in the states, here they worked for a while, and yes, we have excelent luthiers, specially when you talk about acoustic classical guitars. If that hepls a little.
 
The discussion has been going on at least two years now in one form or another.

What I'm missing hear is the "actual" difference between the basses other than the serial prefix, cost and the build nationality.

Some TB'r have mentioned that components such as carbon fibre re-enforced necks etc and yes that makes sense but to compare two absolute identical basses made in different countries and then without any real justification say one is inferior is plain BS. It seems the people who actually play the MIM don't have a problem with them?

Even in this thread there is a real biast to MIA without saying why. It really brings the credibility down on this forum when people answer with keep jobs in america. (tools) I'm in Australia, should I only buy Australian made bass and amps?

It may be worth taking a good look at where people on this forum are from. Some are from Japan, some from Mexico and many from Europe etc etc. What does it say to them when their fellow TB'rs are slagging off their fellow workers with unjustified remarks.

The united states is doing mighty fine so why not just leave the patriotism were it belongs and talk about basses without the BS. The audience isn't all in America. If those that behalve this way don't want foriegners on the forum just say so. I'm not sure that those I speak of may realise how bad it looks to others.

This nationality focus is just getting old. It's the same old answers, those how have mim's like them and those who have mia's like them and thos who have mij's like them.

My mia has gaps in the neck cavity the size of texas. I love the bass but I wouldn't be all that proud of it's build when comparing to my ex basses made in japan.

Yeh...... :o
 
"P.S. I think the factory in México its older than the factory in the states, here they worked for a while, and yes, we have excelent luthiers, specially when you talk about acoustic classical guitars. If that hepls a little."

Alfredpunkjazz,

The first place I would buy a classical acoustic from would be mexico given it's availability.
 
I like them all, as long as they are Fender.

I used to diminish MIMs all the time, because I've seen horrible examples, but I think Fender is producing quite a few models there now, and they have definitely raised the quality in the last couple of years.

I recently got an MIM Special Edition (ash-bodied Jazz) and it sounds and plays exceptionally good.

In comparison to my American Jazz Deluxe:

-The MIM has a simpler, less complex tone.
-But the MIM has more natural bottom end than the ADJ. The neck pickup soloed has really full and deep lows, and it has more clarity all around.
-The fretwork on the MIM is actually better than all the MIAs I have tried lately. (Recently. I have bought and returned 1 Anniversary P-Bass and 3 ADJs, and they all had rough fretwork, and a chip in the paint, by the neck heel -neck heel too tight. And this defect was there in all of them! Also, two of the ADJs had the preamp controls wrongly wired (bass in treble knob and viceversa). Lastly, the neck in the last ADJ I tried would not get completely straight, even with the truss rod maxxed out and light-gauge strings. Its like the neck's wood was too soft. Not to menton that the neck profiles in all the ADJs were very different from each other. But my main ADJ, a 2005, sounds and play like nothing else (although it also had rough fret ends and that chip by the neck heel...)


MIAs still feel better somehow, and have higher quality parts, but the MIMs' "put-together" quality is equal, if not better than MIAs.

I think that the quality control manager at the Corona plant needs to start doing his job.

But as mentioned, in all Fenders, be it MIM, MIA, CIJ, MIJ, etc. you always need to hand-picked them.
 
I have a MIM P-bass Special, and a MIA P-bass Special. I have to admit that the MIM has been hotrodded with SD Quarter Pounder pups in the neck and bridge positions. Tone wise it now kicks the MIA model's butt all over the place. I gotta say though the MIA's fret work is a little more superior than the MIM's frets. But that is an easy fix with a fret file. Finish wise, the MIM is just as good or IMHO better. The MIM is the one I'll be gigging with because of the awesome pups in it. :eek: :bassist:
I want to see what a MIA p-bass special from 97 looks like!!! Who's got the pics!!!
 
The new MIM models, 2006 and newer are excellent basses for the money. Pickups have been improved and they are shielded now. Fit & Finish is better and more consistant than before.

I have a 2004 MIM Jazz. I really like it but I changed the bridge and pickups as well as changed out the cheesey white pick guard witha white pearloid one. When I bought mine in late 2004 it was harder to find a really good MIM Fender. You had to play few to get a good one. The new ones are much more consitant in the build quality and every one I have picked up recently has had a very nice quality feel to it.

The MIA is still a better bass all the way around and it will hold it's value better as well. You get better of everything with the MIA but if you can't afford one don't feel bad about buying the MIM model.
 
mexican hands down!!! I'd rather throw a bridge and some knobs and a thumbrest on my $450 mexican and mod it or customize it to my specifications!

If I'm spending $1,000 or more on a Bass I aint modding crap on it! In fact, I refuse to gig with it because if anything happens to it I'll probably spazz out!

Nope, mexicans forever! They sound and function just as good as any $1,000 bass in my book! I'm not headlining any stadiums so I don't need a $1,500 bass!

You got that right.
 
I want to see what a MIA p-bass special from 97 looks like!!! Who's got the pics!!!

Sorry about that PYROHR. The P-bass Special has the split coil neck pups and a jazz bridge pup. The neck is a jazz size 1-1/2 inch at the nut and the body is a P-bass body size. And for the grand finale....:hyper: :eek: :hyper: :eek: :hyper: :D a pic of mine with the black pearl guard, SD Quarter Pounders in the neck position, and as of last weekend added another Qpounder to the bridge position. Lots of TB'ers refer to this type bass as a P/J configuration. This is the MIM model and was made in 2004. As far as I know, the sunburst finish is not offered anymore except on the MIA models. Someone correct me on that if I'm wrong. ENJOY...:D UHH, sorry. I don't have a good pic of my MIA model. The MIA's and the MIM's look exactly the same, other than the serial numbers on the headstock.
 
I want to see what a MIA p-bass special from 97 looks like!!! Who's got the pics!!!

Okay, this is the only pic I have. It' a USA California Series 1997 P-Bass Special. It's a very good bass. I like the fretwork a little more than the MIM model, but with those QPounders in my MIM bass, it can run circles around the USA model. :eek: :D I also added the abalone pickguard cause IMHO, it just looks alot better than the stock gold anodized guard. :D
 
I honestly love Fenders, and truthfully, I pay no attention to MIA/MIM. I play the bass and evaluate it for sound and playing comfort. Sometimes its a MIM that I like best of all the various ones I've tried, and sometimes its a MIA.

I think people should get over this "MIA is better" syndrome. I really don't understand it..............:confused:
 
I honestly love Fenders, and truthfully, I pay no attention to MIA/MIM. I play the bass and evaluate it for sound and playing comfort. Sometimes its a MIM that I like best of all the various ones I've tried, and sometimes its a MIA.

I think people should get over this "MIA is better" syndrome. I really don't understand it..............:confused:

Just because you don't agree doesn't make it a "syndrome".
 
Think Leo Fender, and not Fender Musical Instruments.

Think G&L.

The Tribute basses are as nice as you are going to find for around $500.

The American version of an L-2000, you get just about any sound out of it you want.

Check em out.

Just a thought.

Gary
 
Just because you don't agree doesn't make it a "syndrome".

Couldn't agree more.

Unfortunately, there are those who don't remember a time when ALL Fenders were built here. Don't get me wrong, there's really nothing wrong with MIM or MIJ basses....but, as sort of an "old school" kind of guy, I prefer to stick with the "tried and true" as it were, but that is just one old guy's opinion.....
 
Okay, this is the only pic I have. It' a USA California Series 1997 P-Bass Special. It's a very good bass. I like the fretwork a little more than the MIM model, but with those QPounders in my MIM bass, it can run circles around the USA model. :eek: :D I also added the abalone pickguard cause IMHO, it just looks alot better than the stock gold anodized guard. :D
Wasn't the "California" series basically a MIA bass that was painted in the Mexico and assembled in the USA thus the "California" series monika? I seem to remember that's how they got away with calling it a MIA made bass! The parts as far as I remember were upgraded MIM parts but not the same as it's MIA counterparts. Was this bass even made using pure MIA bass parts? Someone correct me if i'm wrong please!
 
I honestly love Fenders, and truthfully, I pay no attention to MIA/MIM. I play the bass and evaluate it for sound and playing comfort. Sometimes its a MIM that I like best of all the various ones I've tried, and sometimes its a MIA.

+1

I think you can be picky on what you want on the headstock, Maybe you want an instrument made in your country, maybe you want that "extra" on the building of the instrument (even if the difference in price it's more than just an "extra"), that's ok. Everyone has its opinion.

But let me tell ya', the differences on how they make the different instruments are not that big, I think the best priced fenders are the ones from japan (the problem is that Japan is somehow too far away from America, LOL).

But, until now, I haven't seen a single MIM that wouldn't play very well, sometimes they nedd a better setup, sometimes they are cool just the way you found it on the store.

And that its something I must admit that I hate about music stores, they give a Sh*t about the instrument setups, they would even sell more if they had all their instruments properly setted up, to give the best of any instrument, and really give the guys that buy those instruments to choose better.

That said, I think the MIM instruments are very decent for what you pay for them, but yeah, the MIA has something about it, its just that they are getting way too pricey, at least that's my point of view.
 
Just because you don't agree doesn't make it a "syndrome".

Just because you do agree doesn't mean it's not a syndrome.

The point here is that with all flag in your face aside, being american made does not mean that it is automatically better, or worse. Last time I was in the states, and of all places, KC, it was a constant "as long as it's american it's good". If you don't want to give a biast perception, it's better not to portray it.

There's a real difference between being loyal and patriotic to your country and being blind biast. Loyalty is a very great thing IMO. Looking out for your fellow people and keeping jobs happening, absolutley pure and commendable. Saying that other countries build quality is poor without justification is too me a sign of lacking confidence and weakness.

Over time, time will tell what the mass of market will decide. If MIM and MIJ are as good, if not better potentially they will sell more and more as the reputation builds. Slander and cheap talk only lasts a while.

The one thing I do love about American stuff is the style. Be it, it may not be hi tech, that era when Fenders kicked in has an undeniable style that is awsome. 50's Chevs, 60's mustangs, Fenders, Harleys etc etc. But are they built better than foriegn makers, not allways. In this case it could just be the vibe and patriots that saves their *ss.
 

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