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Mike Mills from REM bass gear?

Hey, I'm back because I realized that I'd forgotten some info on one particular bass of Mike's!

On April 1st, 2019, a picture was posted on R.E.M.'s Instagram of the band as cutouts. It was part of an elaborate April Fools prank back in 1989. In it, you see Mike holding a fretless bass, but it was hard to tell who made it. So I commented, asking what kind of bass it was. Much to my surprise, I got a VERY detailed answer from a man named Cameron R. Miller, a guy who used to work for Maton Guitars in Australia. Here's what he said:

It's a Maton MGB4 fretless bass, serial number 108. It was my personal bass from 1986 to 1989, when I gave it to Mike in Melbourne, Australia during the Green World Tour. I was working at Maton by then and I was going to make Mike a bass from scratch, but never got around to it. When the tour was announced I thought "I'll just give him my bass", so that's what I did. This is the first picture I've seen of it in 30 years. The bass has an Australian flag painted on it and it cost me $1739.00AU when I bought it in 1986. Mike returned the gesture when he wrote the music for "Fretless" and told me in 1995 "Cam, I wrote a song for you". Had I known that was going to happen I probably would've given him 10 bass guitars!

Soooo... it's probably safe to say that the song "Fretless" was recorded with that Maton, haha.
Here's the Instagram post itself:
 
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Me again, haha. Since the edit function is now restricted to 60 minutes after posting, I just real quick wanna correct one thing.

I'd mentioned in the big post that Mike used his Mesa Boogie rig on (at least) the Green, Monster, and Up tours. This is incorrect. On the Up tour, he'd switched to an Ampeg B-15 (probably the S model, if I had to guess) and 2 matching Portaflex 15" cabs. He actually had two of these rigs onstage, but I think one was a backup.
 
hmmm I first heard these guys while in college in 84' it was radio free europe..I dug it but I didn't explore them any further until a friend of mine who loved them played fables for me..ten seconds into the song I was like holy crap this is awesome..that remains my fave album..their first three were solid gold imho..great band interesting sound...athens was a hot spot right at that time 85 or so...good stuff came out of there...
 
Love Mike and Rem.
As far as other basses he may have used, Supposedly, although I've never seen him pictured with it, Rickenbacker gave him a TV yellow 4004 with an ebony fretboard.
They made a couple of them, one of them is John Hall's personal bass.
This One is owned by Peter B of the Rickenbacker Farm in Holland.
This may be an apocryphal story.....;)
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I realize this is a bit of a zombie thread, but I'm gonna chime in anyway since I'm a huge R.E.M. fan and I've been trying to piece together a comprehensive history of Mike Mills' gear over the past few years.

Mike has played a lot of different basses in his time, despite the fact that he's known best for either playing his Jetglo Rickenbacker 4001 or his Blonde Fender Precision.

In the really early days of R.E.M., Mike Mills played a Höfner 500/1 with the "toaster" style pickups After that, he got the aforementioned Ampeg Dan Armstrong bass, which I'm almost 100% sure is what was used on the 1981 "Radio Free Europe" Hib-Tone single. Then he briefly switched to a Fender Musicmaster Bass for some shows. Then, of course, he got the Rickenbacker 4001 (which, in modern interviews, is labeled as a 1971, but I've seen old rig rundowns that label it as a 1973), which was used on the Chronic Town EP, Murmur, and Reckoning. It's worth noting, though, that he did play a mid-70's era Fender Jazz Bass at least once around this time (as seen in their 1983 appearance on British TV show "The Tube"), but that bass may have been a rental.

When the horseshoe pickup went bad on the 4001, he switched to a Guild Pilot, which was used on the Fables of the Reconstruction album. At some point while touring Europe in 1985, he also used a Rickenbacker 2030 Hamburg Bass (I've only ever seen him use it in this video where he's miming to the studio backing track of Driver 8: ), but like the Jazz Bass, it was probably also rented, seeing as Peter was using a Ric 325 and Bill was on a Pearl drumkit (he played Rogers drums exclusively at the time).

Now, here's one spot where things get a little muddled: I've read articles stating that he also had a Ric 4003 around this time that had a Bartolini P-J set installed in it (I'm assuming to match the tone and output of his Guild). However, I asked Mike directly in 2016 what that Ric was, and he told me that it was his original 4001, but gutted out and given the Bartolini P-J treatment. It's could be that Mike is mis-remembering, because while it's certainly possible to replace the pickups, fill the old pickup holes, and refinish the bass, it doesn't seem likely that his tech at the time would've totally cannibalized it like that... especially given the fact that it was then restored later. But either way, THAT bass can be seen in their Rockpalast 1985 performance, after Mike accidentally breaks his input jack on the Guild Pilot.

1986 is the era of the all-black Ibanez Roadstar II RB650. He used it on Lifes Rich Pageant and the supporting tour.

I'm pretty sure that by 1987, he got the black Fender Precision that is seen on Tourfilm. If so, he played it on Document, Green, and Out of Time, as well as those albums' respective supporting tours/promo spots (pretty much all of their tour dates for Out of Time were acoustic, but there were a few promotional TV spots they did where they played full electric, and Mike uses the black Precision on those).

It wasn't until 1992 that Mike would get his famous Blonde Precision Bass. There's a bit of contention as to the exact year of the bass. For a very long time, it was believed to be a 1969. In more recent interviews, it got called a 1970. To add even further to the confusion, Craig Brody, owner of The Guitar Broker vintage guitar shop in Ft. Lauderdale (who sold the bass to Mike), has called it a 1967 in interviews. But either way, it became his main bass for the remainder of R.E.M.'s run, and he played it on every album from Automatic for the People right up to their last album Collapse Into Now.

That said, he did play a few other basses either live or in the studio during that stretch of time.

For the Out of Time-era acoustic shows (including their first MTV Unplugged show in 1991), he played a Guild acoustic bass guitar (not sure of the exact model, but it was most likely a B30E).
For the Automatic album, he played an upright bass on "New Orleans Instrumental No. 1" (and 2, a B-side), which might be the same upright you see on their 1998 Sesame Street appearance (Furry Happy Monsters, anyone?). And on the track "Monty Got a Raw Deal," he's actually playing a Guild Ashbory Bass.
For the Up album, Mike told a story about finding some big no-name solidbody bass ("just this huge wooden thing with no name on it") that he used on the track "At My Most Beautiful."
For their 1998 set at the Bridge School Benefit concert, he used an Ibanez AEB50LG.
For their second MTV Unplugged show in 2001, he used a Taylor AB-2.
Lastly, he does own at least one fretless bass, because you can hear it on the song 1991 song "Fretless" (it wasn't on an R.E.M. album, but rather the soundtrack to the movie "Until the End of the World"), and you can also see him playing a fretless Jazz Bass (with a P-J pickup config) in the Perfect Square concert film on the song "Animal" (which was likely also used to record the studio version for their hits/B-sides compilation In Time: The Best of R.E.M. 1988-2003).

At some point around the late 2000s, he had his 4001 fully restored (though it's not clear if he used it on any R.E.M. songs from that time), and he has been using that a lot post-R.E.M. (including when I saw him with The Baseball Project almost 4 years ago now). He's also used a Godin Shifter Classic 4 on certain occasions.

As far as amps are concerned, in his REALLY early pre-R.E.M. days, he used a rig that was basically identical to what Berry Oakley of the Allman Brothers was using: Dual Showman Reverb amps and a matching 2x12 cab & 4x10 cab. In the very early R.E.M. days, he tended to stick with 2x15 cabs, and it seems as though his choice of cab varied a lot in the 80s (or maybe he was content playing through backline gear?). He's seen in pics & videos using Peavey, Fender, and GK. He either used Fender Dual Showman heads or Peavey PA heads to power them.

Studio sounds were a different story. For Murmur, at least, he just ran through the Ampeg B-15 that was at Reflection Studios.

By 1985, his live rig rundown evidently went like this: "The bass goes into a QSC power amp and Lost parametric pre-amp, then to an electronic crossover cabinet with two twelve-inch JBLs and one fifteen-inch Gauss speaker. Mills has a dbx 160 limiter/compressor."

I'm not exactly sure how long he used that setup, but by at least 1989 (possibly earlier), he had switched to Mesa/Boogie cabinets, as well as the Bass 400 head, and he used that rig for the Green, Monster, and Up tours. For the Monster tour, as mentioned before, he had a Big Muff fuzz for certain songs ("Circus Envy," "You," "Departure," "Binky the Doormat"). I'm not 100% on where he used the phaser or delay pedals though.

By 2003, when it was time to promo & tour on their new best-of album, he was pretty much an Ampeg guy through-and-through. Vintage SVT head, 8x10 cab. And from what I've seen, that's been his go-to rig ever since for most shows. Not only that, but he had once again been using B-15s in the studio since at least 1998.

Let's see, what else? Strings, perhaps? He was a Dean Markley guy for a very long time. His gauge of choice has become lighter over the years. In the '80s, it was .050-.105, then in the '90s he moved down to .045-.105. Now, from what I've read, he's switched to D'Addario and plays .045-.100.

I think that just about covers it all. Let me know if I missed something or if any of my info is bad, but I'm pretty sure that this is about as accurate as it gets for Mr. Mills.



Old post but just to let you know, Rickenbacker stopped putting horseshoe pickups in 4001's sometime in 1968, the one above in the 1983 video on the Lettermen show above does not have a horseshoe and looks like an early 70's 4001. I just did a search and I also don't think it's a '71 as it doesn't seem to have checkerboard binding (although I couldn't find a real clear picture) but it does have full width inlays and a toaster with 1/2" spacing so I would say probably mid 1973 as Ric eliminated checkerboard binding sometime during early 1973. The Hip Tone bass sound definitely has less bite than the later single. Good job compiling all that data.
 
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Very comprehensive, but the one bass missing from @597feetdown's list is the Ibanez Roadstar II P-J.

I saw Mike playing that (and the Rick) through a Mesa-Boogie Bass 400 & Mesa 2 x 15 cab on both the '86 Pageantry tour (Feelies opening) and at an '87 show (10,000 Maniacs opened). Funny, looking up that setlist I see that '87 show was 35 years today, how time flies!
 
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Very comprehensive, but the one bass missing from @597feetdown's list is the Ibanez Roadstar II P-J.

I did mention the Roadstar. The RB650 is the model that has the P-J configuration.

Anyway, since I'm here again, I may as well tell you that I recently saw The Baseball Project again on their latest tour. Mike still has his trusty old Ric with him, and on this tour, he's running through an Orange Terror Bass head and an el cheapo Sonic 1x15 bass cabinet. Photo comes courtesy of Michael Duncan from a Rickenbacker Facebook group.
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Question for 597feetdown
On the Letterman Show in '83 when they played Radio Free, and (as of yet unnamed at that moment) So. Central Rain, Mike used his Ric and the clip has some great conversational stuff with Dave in-between the songs. What sort of bridge alteration did he do/have done on his early 70's 4001? Low-res video, but it looks similar to the BadAss fill and plate added job that Scully did with Ged's '73 4001.?


(I've played my Jan '74 4001 since owning it from '83 until today. Last played it Nov'22 for eight songs as part of a multi-musician REM Tribute Night fundraiser. We had so much fun with their music, and so many REM fans had come out, that we kept our pick-up band together. We're now at twenty five of REM's songs, and our third gig as this new outfit is May1. Our "local hero" gigs raise money for food banks and animal shelters, so I think the guys would be cool with that. Switched to my G&L SB2T though, as its a better bass and the better all-round tone to get closer to Mike's. Learning his style has been a great learning experience and I have a lot of admiration for him and his playing (I can't play and chew gum at the same time), now that I know more. And you really do have to use a pic/plectrum for most of his lines, or they don't come across properly. My fingers still serve me better on several though, where I stumble a bit wit'da pic. Up and down man! I'd describe Mike's lines being sort of like Tetris; you need to make them go a certain way, or they don't fit).
 
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A picture of Mike's pedal board from the Baseball Project August 2023 (courtesy me)! The secret to his unique sound finally cracked! Oh - the only connected pedal is the tuner. The "Frantone Electronics - The Sweet Germanium Transistorized Fuzztone" apparently relegated to not worth connecting (but worth powering?). Sigh.

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And no fancy power sources either!
 
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Question for 597feetdown
On the Letterman Show in '83 when they played Radio Free, and (as of yet unnamed at that moment) So. Central Rain, Mike used his Ric and the clip has some great conversational stuff with Dave in-between the songs. What sort of bridge alteration did he do/have done on his early 70's 4001? Low-res video, but it looks similar to the BadAss fill and plate added job that Scully did with Ged's '73 4001.?


(I've played my Jan '74 4001 since owning it from '83 until today. Last played it Nov'22 for eight songs as part of a multi-musician REM Tribute Night fundraiser. We had so much fun with their music, and so many REM fans had come out, that we kept our pick-up band together. We're now at twenty five of REM's songs, and our third gig as this new outfit is May1. Our "local hero" gigs raise money for food banks and animal shelters, so I think the guys would be cool with that. Switched to my G&L SB2T though, as its a better bass and the better all-round tone to get closer to Mike's. Learning his style has been a great learning experience and I have a lot of admiration for him and his playing (I can't play and chew gum at the same time), now that I know more. And you really do have to use a pic/plectrum for most of his lines, or they don't come across properly. My fingers still serve me better on several though, where I stumble a bit wit'da pic. Up and down man! I'd describe Mike's lines being sort of like Tetris; you need to make them go a certain way, or they don't fit).

Really late to this, but looks like the bridge pickup got replaced with a Jazz Bass pickup at one point. Found it listed somewhere I'll have to check again, but I went to check photos and it was correct. So looks like the mods where a Badass Bridge, Jazz Bass Pickup, and a mystery mini toggle switch near the controls.
 

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Really late to this, but looks like the bridge pickup got replaced with a Jazz Bass pickup at one point. Found it listed somewhere I'll have to check again, but I went to check photos and it was correct. So looks like the mods where a Badass Bridge, Jazz Bass Pickup, and a mystery mini toggle switch near the controls.
Slight edit. Apparently the toggle switch was for a single coil in the bridge Cliff Burton style. R.E.M. - Mike Mills' 4001 - odd bridge! - Rickresource Rickenbacker Forum
 
Yeah this photo shows the mods for sure; the extra plate under the badass. Thanks! (Ric forums show some with the foam mute plate and it's adjustment screws removed, and they'd crammed a single-coil jazz pup in there-along with the stock bridge pup. Kinda nuts, ridiculous place for a pup- but cool).
Seems that 2x15" cabs are going to have more of Mike's sound.
We just did our seventh REM show last week. 22 songs. Was a blast!
Note: about the RicResource site you referenced, it was started and run by a friend of mine right here in Fredericton, NB🇨🇦
 
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Yeah this photo shows the mods for sure; the extra plate under the badass. Thanks! (Ric forums show some with the foam mute plate and it's adjustment screws removed, and they'd crammed a single-coil jazz pup in there-along with the stock bridge pup. Kinda nuts, ridiculous place for a pup- but cool).
Seems that 2x15" cabs are going to have more of Mike's sound.
We just did our seventh REM show last week. Was a blast
Believe he used both Fender and a Peavey 2x15 that he got with a Peavey 400BH in the early days. Second photo also shows Mike's 4001 had the Jazz Pickup mod before the Bridge Replacement
 

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I've played Chronic Town beginning to end as a little party trick with a three piece at many events.

4003 + RB800 + Ampeg 115 sounds perfect.

Long time fan, first saw them in ATL in Piedmont Park at the Arts Festival in 1981 (maybe 82) when I was in 7th grade.

We're a wildly successful tribute band, you can tell by the venue and our rockstar clothes.

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