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Miking on Stage, Max 112

Do you Mike your Amp

  • yes

    Votes: 9 36.0%

  • No

    Votes: 13 52.0%

  • Sometimes..

    Votes: 3 12.0%
  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .
#21
To be fair, most venues I play could be handled with a 4x10 cab (or equivalent), appropriately powered. But I prefer not to blast the makeup off the babes up front. I don't mic my cab, and go DI to FOH -- either House system or our own -- and use IEM's.
Drummer, lead vox and I are IEM, so other than the guitar player being able to hear me, I need NO stage volume.
We run a JBL PA -- two 15" subs each side and dual 15"s (1 or 2 each side depending on venue) for tops. There's plenty volume.

Most (again.. most, but not all) bands I hear in bars/clubs that do not have subs are lacking substance/depth.. and if those are dance bands.. but that's down here. Up in the NE, I've been to a number of bars/clubs that could fit entirely on some of our Texas stages.. LOL They're TINY !!

So of course, saying one should always have subs is simply not accurate!!
 
#22
modulusman said:
I'm reading your posts just fine. In your second post you said you don't have subs or a crossover and you don't need it. Well IMO you are wrong. A kick drum is not going to sound as good without a sub. Neither will a bass guitar.
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For the bass drum, generally, yes. For the bass, if your rig is capable of respectable output, you don't need a sub for bass. If you just go through the PA and use IEM's, though, yes, you need a sub.
 
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#23
s0c9 said:
To be fair, most venues I play could be handled with a 4x10 cab (or equivalent), appropriately powered. But I prefer not to blast the makeup off the babes up front. I don't mic my cab, and go DI to FOH -- either House system or our own -- and use IEM's.
Drummer, lead vox and I are IEM, so other than the guitar player being able to hear me, I need NO stage volume.
We run a JBL PA -- two 15" subs each side and dual 15"s (1 or 2 each side depending on venue) for tops. There's plenty volume.

Most (again.. most, but not all) bands I hear in bars/clubs that do not have subs are lacking substance/depth.. and if those are dance bands.. but that's down here. Up in the NE, I've been to a number of bars/clubs that could fit entirely on some of our Texas stages.. LOL They're TINY !!

So of course, saying one should always have subs is simply not accurate!!
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Well I would rather have a subwoofer and use a sansamp bass DI straight into the board if the space is that small.
 
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modulusman said:
Well I would rather have a subwoofer and use a sansamp bass DI straight into the board if the space is that small.
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To be sure.. there's lots of ways of making it work!
I prefer using subs also... that's the whole point of a PA... backline amps are NO LONGER a must have for gigs..
Go DI!... spend the $$ on a decent (modular) PA, so one can size as needed :)
 
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#25
Your poll should have stated "Line out is the same thing..." in the poll question. I always run a line out from my amp to the PA. We run a powered sub so my cabinet (only 2x10) acts as a monitor. This makes also it easier on the back. If it were needed I could always add more cabinets if the sub wasn't enough but I've never ran in a situation yet wher the sub didn't push enough air.
 
#26
modulusman said:
Whatever. I have a sub in my living room that sounds like it would be perfect for those set up in the corner lame bar gigs. It is 16 inches wide by 24 inches deep. You are asking for a lawsuit if your speakers fall into some drunken idiot. Which would likely happen if the stands were not spread wide enough. What speakers are you using for PA?
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Lame bar gigs? Please, insult me some more. You actually think I'm going to provide you with the answers to your "questions" after that? Lol. Go away.

I play these lame bar gigs with guys that are part of the touring band of one of the best selling artists in the world. They don't seem to mind not having subs.
 
#28
Dave W said:
Lame bar gigs? Please, insult me some more. You actually think I'm going to provide you with the answers to your "questions" after that? Lol. Go away.

I play these lame bar gigs with guys that are part of the touring band of one of the best selling artists in the world. They don't seem to mind not having subs.
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So you don't know what the PA is OK.:D A lame bar gig is a lame bar gig. I have played many. Last Friday the band area was so small I had to have the drummer reach over and make adjustments to my combo amp because I could not get back to do it myself. Just because you play with touring pros it doesn't mean they have a clue about sound reinforcement. I bet when they are on tour they are using subs.:bassist:It is the same principle just on a smaller scale.
 
#30
nysbob said:
Anyone who makes broad sweeping statements about playing music in front of people either hasn't been doing it very long, or has limited experience with various levels of gigging.

Which is exactly what Dave W was trying to impart.
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Ths is TB. One size fits all and the self-appointed 'experts' decide what the rest of us need. :rollno:
 
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#31
nysbob said:
Lame gigs are where you don't connect with people.

Has nothing to do with the size of the venue, your rig, your PA, or your ego.
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So you would rather play a gig where you are set up on the floor and have to worry about getting your teeth knocked out when some drunk knocks your microphone into your face. I guess that is connecting with people. :)
 
#32
ole Jason said:
I've never been in a band that hauled around a PA. Honestly I don't think I would gig at all if I had to put that much work into it. I think the vast majority of bassists will run direct (or mic) in a 'venue.' Bars can be either/or depending on the size.
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That is an insult to WORKING bands. I'm talking about real bands that grind it out 6 nights a week and drive all night on the road. If you want to play powder puff gigs where you work off someone else's equipment run by their sound Man one night a month for fun money OK. You might as well sing Karaoke..
I have gone 2 months without a night off! Eaten at the worst Grease pits and slept in some of the best rooms, to my Car.
And I can smell a dead beat owner from a Mile away! I have only been stiffed 2 nights in about 30 years..
A couple times I have asked to have the money counted out (new place) and leave it in the Bars cooler in site. If We have a cash deal and they try to pay by check.. No way... We have contracts especially for places we play for the 1st time. We take checks if we have been there before and it is a good business.. I have also had the band pack it up in the middle of a night when I see Drugs being openly used, and the owner has been warned.
We not only carry a PA but and extra 400w head for emergency.
But it is hard to judge because everybody is different, in style, Music, professionalism...
I'm no better than anybody else.. in my 20's we had a game on stage with a Toilet lid and bucket, If a girl could sling shot her panties in the bucket from the Dance floor on break she got a free drink!! You would be surprised at how many girls participated!!!
 
#33
Dave W said:
Lame bar gigs? Please, insult me some more. You actually think I'm going to provide you with the answers to your "questions" after that? Lol. Go away.

I play these lame bar gigs with guys that are part of the touring band of one of the best selling artists in the world. They don't seem to mind not having subs.
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Unfortunately, Modulusman has continually proven himself to be an insufferable condescending ass on here. Any knowledge he may actually possess is lost in translation among his attempts to talk down to other people. I usually just roll my eyes when I read his posts and then move on.
 
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#34
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Eh, I don't feel the need to put anyone on ignore. Besides, I could potentially miss out on the expertise you could bestow upon me if I post somewhere saying that I played a gig using an XLR cable that's not up to the standards of a Sound God such as yourself. Remember, I said that I first read your posts before the eye roll.

The avatar is the former bass player of the Drive-by Truckers. I'm personally not a fan of whiskey.
 
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LiquidMidnight said:
Eh, I don't feel the need to put anyone on ignore. Besides, I could potentially miss out on the expertise you could bestow upon me if I post somewhere saying that I played a gig using an XLR cable that's not up to the standards of a Sound God such as yourself. Remember, I said that I first read your posts before the eye roll.

The avatar is the former bass player of the Drive-by Truckers. I'm personally not a fan of whiskey.
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Well if he drank like that onstage maybe that is the reason he is no longer in the band.:)
 
#40
modulusman said:
So you don't know what the PA is OK.:D A lame bar gig is a lame bar gig. I have played many. Last Friday the band area was so small I had to have the drummer reach over and make adjustments to my combo amp because I could not get back to do it myself. Just because you play with touring pros it doesn't mean they have a clue about sound reinforcement. I bet when they are on tour they are using subs.:bassist:It is the same principle just on a smaller scale.
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Oh you! You really got me there!
 

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