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Miking on Stage, Max 112

Do you Mike your Amp

  • yes

    Votes: 9 36.0%

  • No

    Votes: 13 52.0%

  • Sometimes..

    Votes: 3 12.0%
  • Total voters
    25
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#41
I don't know, I've usually found @LiquidMidnight to be of pretty good taste. Awe this has the potential to get good. Thing I love about TB is that you usually don't know who you're talking to, like I just love the assertion that I'm not a real musician because I haven't played a gig since I was 16 that didn't have a sound engineer, light tech and enough PA that it's impossible not be run through FOH. In more recording sessions then I can remember at this point and as many gigs I never met a sound guy that gave a damn about my rig, just the DI box he wanted me to plug the bass into. I guess I should be sleeping in my car and playing 6 nights a week in rat infested dives where there's a chance I might not get paid. If I wanted to be an a$$ I would probably assert that if you've been playing for 30 years or more, and I have, and you still count your pay in how many packs of smokes and beer it will get you, then maybe it's time to get a day job.
 
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#43
I nearly always have FOH support, excedpt in the littlest places and smaller private parities, I am normally still wired through the board so the drummer has me in the monitor. i never mic, always di. I run a 900 watt Genz or a 500 watt Markbass. I prefer to keep the stage volume down.
 
#44
spectorfreak said:
I don't know, I've usually found @LiquidMidnight to be of pretty good taste. Awe this has the potential to get good. Thing I love about TB is that you usually don't know who you're talking to, like I just love the assertion that I'm not a real musician because I haven't played a gig since I was 16 that didn't have a sound engineer, light tech and enough PA that it's impossible not be run through FOH. In more recording sessions then I can remember at this point and as many gigs I never met a sound guy that gave a damn about my rig, just the DI box he wanted me to plug the bass into. I guess I should be sleeping in my car and playing 6 nights a week in rat infested dives where there's a chance I might not get paid. If I wanted to be an a$$ I would probably assert that if you've been playing for 30 years or more, and I have, and you still count your pay in how many packs of smokes and beer it will get you, then maybe it's time to get a day job.
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For one I dont Smoke, or drink, but I guess there are people that gauge their talent by how much equipment they have. We simply carry enough to play from 100 people in a little place to outdoor dances..
We have a guy around here that has recorded 50 CD's and gives them away to anybody that will take them.. He still SUCKS!
 
#45
Orion61 said:
That is an insult to WORKING bands. I'm talking about real bands that grind it out 6 nights a week and drive all night on the road. If you want to play powder puff gigs where you work off someone else's equipment run by their sound Man one night a month for fun money OK. You might as well sing Karaoke..
I have gone 2 months without a night off! Eaten at the worst Grease pits and slept in some of the best rooms, to my Car.
And I can smell a dead beat owner from a Mile away! I have only been stiffed 2 nights in about 30 years..
A couple times I have asked to have the money counted out (new place) and leave it in the Bars cooler in site. If We have a cash deal and they try to pay by check.. No way... We have contracts especially for places we play for the 1st time. We take checks if we have been there before and it is a good business.. I have also had the band pack it up in the middle of a night when I see Drugs being openly used, and the owner has been warned.
We not only carry a PA but and extra 400w head for emergency.
But it is hard to judge because everybody is different, in style, Music, professionalism...
I'm no better than anybody else.. in my 20's we had a game on stage with a Toilet lid and bucket, If a girl could sling shot her panties in the bucket from the Dance floor on break she got a free drink!! You would be surprised at how many girls participated!!!
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Uh... okay. Not sure how you were insulted by that. Not everyone plays rock music or in 'bars' you know. The vast majority of my work is at upscale restaurants or private parties. Hauling around a huge PA and worrying about getting paid are not issues I deal with. I really don't understand why you think what you're doing is some badge of honor or whatever. It just sounds like a whole bunch of work for not a lot of money to me.
 
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#46
Orion61 said:
Any Band that isn't miking everything on stage is loosing 1/2 the Battle,
I used my new Peavey Max 112 200w Sat night it was about 300 people, It certainly would have been plenty alone, but add the miking through the subs and I could have gotten by with a 50 watt as a monitor..
We try to keep our stage volume down, Helps with a Drummer that knows how to play, and isn't a heavy Monster on every song

I'm down with what you're saying. I play a '68 Acoustic 136. Supposedly 220 watts. Never have any trouble keeping up with any drummer. What folks don't always understand is that your amp and speaker combo has to match up. Keep your stage volume down. Send your signal through the system. I have pro buddies that aren't even using an amp anymore. Just good DI and ear buds. Everyone gets their bass mix from the monitors. The need for huge amps is mostly posterity now. If you fill the house with your amp, the mix is sad.
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#47
I was talking about 30 years in a couple paragraphs. yes I played Dives, and I worked hard. I made crappy money, and I have made decent money.
The better money came later. I will admit some of the most fun playing came in some of those little Bars! This was a simple question that got blown out of the water, I was just wondering how many players still did it the old fashion way, with no PA support. What is decent money for one night? well the 4 of us get about $1200.00 a night.. Not getting rich, but a long way from $35.00 a night when I started in the 70's. I have no problems with music other than R&R, I played solid Country for about 6 years. I like to relax in a Coffee house with a small group or single.
One of the most impressive acts I have ever seen was a guy, his Wife and an electronic Drummer, He sang, played a Steel Guitar AND Les Paul while sitting, He played a Bass floor synth with his Left foot and had a vocal Harmonizer with his Right when not playing the steel, his Wife sang and played a piano. Those guys sounded like a 5 piece band simply AMAZING!
I love to hear ANY type of music if it is done well. I am not into Rap but there are enough who like it to make up for me.
I quit the road circuit over 20 years ago, now do just weekends.
In 2012 I achieved the honor from fellow Musicians, and fans to be inducted into the IRRMA (Iowa Rock & Roll Music Association) Hall of Fame.
I don't think Im better than any body else, and love to hear fellow bass players. If I was great I wouldn't be here. But If I stunk I would have washed out long ago. And if I hear you play and hear something cool you do, I just might borrow it.....LOL
I could have just as soon asked who plays with a Pick...
I added another suggested option of sometime...
Peace all.
 
#48
Can't go along with the mix being "sad" if the bass is not always mixed in the FOH (that's when there is a sound person mixing FOH). The sound person at Rum Boogie Cafe ( you can Google it ) always takes me out of the mix even though everything else is mixed. Point is there is no hard fast rule on this stuff. I'll go with whatever works best but at many gigs I carry the house barefoot.
 
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#49
It's simple, when people start jumping on a cool egg like @LiquidMidnight, you're going to get some heat. Your question was open ended and lacking context to begin with. Having been here 2 weeks you aren't making friends by encouraging people like ModulusExpert in his attacks, your posting style is way too similar. Talkbass ain't a place you want to start comparing resumes because there are amazing players on here who play for just the fun of it, and world caliber pros as well. Congrats on your HOF induction, and not being sarcastic about that at all. I've got more then one Canadian Juno award for my work, along with gold and platinum discs, Canadian, American and Europe, etc. There are some very good eggs on here that are very highly thought of, we don't want them to leave because they get tired of BS. Most of us like to remain anonymous, which was my point when I said you never know who you're talking to. Also, many of us are sarcastic or humorous in our posts, take it with a grain of salt as the rest of us do. But personal slights based on someone's alleged expertise, that doesn't fly here. Take it for what it's worth.
 
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Sputnik Monroe said:
Can't go along with the mix being "sad" if the bass is not always mixed in the FOH (that's when there is a sound person mixing FOH). The sound person at Rum Boogie Cafe ( you can Google it ) always takes me out of the mix even though everything else is mixed. Point is there is no hard fast rule on this stuff. I'll go with whatever works best but at many gigs I carry the house barefoot.
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Well what your post says to me is
1. The soundman is lazy. If he will not take the time to mic /DI your bass. Better to do so and not need it.
2. The PA sucks and doesn't have enough inputs or the speakers can't reproduce the bass guitar.
3. The soundman knows it is a waste of time because you will not turn down if he asks you too.
 
#52
modulusman said:
So you would rather play a gig where you are set up on the floor and have to worry about getting your teeth knocked out when some drunk knocks your microphone into your face. I guess that is connecting with people. :)
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Bob's done way bigger gigs than most of us in his career. I wouldn't be putting him down for doing dive bar gigs if I were you.
 
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#54
I had nothing neg at all to say to or about @LiquidMidnight, or you as that goes. My question was what it was, i was just trying to
get an idea of the general population here. I haven't encouraged Modulus in any way, as a matter of fact his first post at me was
not that positive. As far as being a member here for 2 weeks yes that is a fact, but I have watched the form for years.
Open forums are for everybody. I have no doubt there are outstanding musicians here. I thought I was rather clear in my question
also with the statement about Drummers, Dynamics are many times the last thing otherwise technically sound ones learn.
I do apologize if I have offended anybody unintentionally..
On the other hand I have had some pretty sniping comments in replys.. I don't take that kind of crap from anybody.. I'd just say if you don't like the way I ask questions or me personally, PLEASE put me on your ignore list or simply hit the back button..
All I can say is when I had a heart attack that put me down for a few months, the local Musicians made it very clear their opinion of me personally
when they nearly ALL performed for free at a benefit they organized for me and my family.
 
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#55
Wow, some of these threads go south real quick....

anyways, I've done all sorts of gigs, some with zero FOH, some with all out PA system!! The last time I had my rig miked was about 2002 at the Quest in mpls, playing original music, it was awesome BTW!!! In fact, when I played in original bands, we always had good PA support for those venues!!

having played in cover bands for the last 9 years, I played in a few groups that had decent PA systems(that we had to set up/tear down), and a few where it was only for vocals and kick maybe since some bars we played didn't have a sound system

I actually have come to prefer gigs where I let my amp carry me(so I can control my sound more), but most of the time I'm going direct with my B7K and pedalboard since I now use IEM.... I still prefer being miked though

edit: nothing like a miked SVT, just my opinion though
 
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JimmyM said:
Bob's done way bigger gigs than most of us in his career. I wouldn't be putting him down for doing dive bar gigs if I were you.
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I'm not putting him down. I play dive bar gigs all the time. But not all gigs are created equal. Last week end I played in an Elks club where we had to set up on the floor with very little room. We were using a Yamaha stagepas with just the vocals miced. I had to use my beater bass because I was worried somebody dancing would fall into my mic stand and hurt my Pristine Spector. Was it a fun gig, yeah the 50 or so people in audience enjoyed it.
Saturday I played a gig for 300 with a 20x24 ft stage. We had to haul in a lot bigger PA and lighting rig and actually make 2 trips to the venue because they wanted us to set up in the morning. I enjoyed it more because bigger audience, didn't have to worry about drunks knocking my teeth out with a mic stand because of the stage. I only made $20.00 more for this gig than Fridays and it took twice as much time. But sounding better was worth it to me.
 
#58
Your a bit mixed up (but we knew that) ... Maybe you better Google "Rum Boogie Cafe" Memphis ... But then again we all know your just trolling, being an upstanding member as you are of a hobby band that works for half rates ...
 
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Sputnik Monroe said:
Your a bit mixed up (but we knew that) ... Maybe you better Google "Rum Boogie Cafe" Memphis ... But then again we all know your just trolling, being an upstanding member as you are of a hobby band that works for half rates ...
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I did google it Look at picture number 2 Invalid Link Removed Unless there is a separate room for bands that they are no pictures of. Those speakers look to be either Carvin, Yamaha or Peavey. They do not have dedicated fly points from what I can tell so it is against the law. I actually play in 2 bands. One of which has opened for or shared the stage with about 20 national acts. We get paid quite well.
 

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