Mix wiz 16:2 DX ( not mixwiz3)

[Floyd Eye]

So I am a newbie with consoles. Messed with it a bit last night for the first time. I ran one out ( L main) since I wasn't sure how to hook it up stereo or if I even should ( there is no dedicated mono out on this one. It is an older one). Can someone tell me the best way to hook it up, mono or stereo and how to do it? I have a crossover and 3 power amps, subs, mains and monitors. How do I hook up a Microverb 4 as an insert to the lead vocal channel.

Thanks.

 

[walterw]

big subject, look into the yamaha sound reinforcement handbook.

you do have a mono out, the "A-B out" 1/4" outs underneath the L-R XLR outs.

board mono out-->crossover in

crossover high out--> one side of biggest amp-->mains
(try 100Hz crossover point)
crossover low out--> other side of biggest amp-->subs

auxes 1 through 4 out-->one into each side of other two amps for 4 monitor mixes

you don't insert effects into a channel; aux 5 out-->effect in

effect out-->channel 16 1/4" in (if you can spare it); return 1 if you can't.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Thanks Walter. I wasn't sure about the A-B. I will look into the Yamaha book too. Thanks.

 

[MrDOS]

I would highly recommend lookingup up the idea of "aux-fed subs." I have the same mixer, and run the subs out of the L channel and Tops out of the R channel. It's been a great mixer for me for many years.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I would highly recommend lookingup up the idea of "aux-fed subs." I have the same mixer, and run the subs out of the L channel and Tops out of the R channel. It's been a great mixer for me for many years.

Planning on running aux fed subs. How do you run out of the main out AND aux feed the subs?

 

[walterw]

you might wanna walk before you run, and just figure out how to run this stuff normally first.

do you even have EQs for the mains? for the monitors? how many monitor mixes do you need?

even with aux-fed subs, you still want to cross over the mains and subs, so is this crossover a stereo 2-way?

 

[Floyd Eye]

I have a DOD835 2/3 way stereo crossover, but I was thinking about not using it. I am planning on getting a couple dual channel 31 band EQs ASAP, but I don't have them yet.
For now I was thinking of running aux 1and 2 (pre fader) into my monitor amp ( 1 per side) and each channel would drive 2 12" monitors. Aux 4 (post fader) into my sub amp and into my 2 1x18 subs ( 1 per side). Aux 5 would be used in single mode for the built in reverb. Aux 6 would go out into a delay unit and back in to Ch. 16.
R-L main outs would go to the mains amp running a pair of Peavey PR15s ( one per side).
When I get the EQs I will put them between the board and the monitor amp and the board and the mains amp.

Does that sound right?

 

[Floyd Eye]

I still am not understanding how you can come out of the main out into a sub that is aux fed.

 

[walterw]

you don't.

the aux out in question would go straight into the crossover (yes, you do still need it) set to 2-way stereo, and the low out of the crossover would go to the subs amp.

the main out would go to the other channel of the crossover, and the high out of that side would go to the tops amp.

you would start with just setting both channels of the crossover to the same crossover point, say, around 100Hz.

the idea is that you use the aux out on each board channel to only bring into the sub what needs to go into it (kick, bass, maybe toms).

 

[walterw]

how many players in the band? you have 4 wedges, and a separate mix for each guy makes a world of difference on stage. that's frankly way more important than stereo PA or aux-fed subs at this point.

 

[Floyd Eye]

If I am set up the way I describe and I only open the aux 6 knob on the strips for the kick drums and the floor toms, nothing else will go to the subs right? So why do I have to use the crossover?

I have a 3 piece band. Me, a guitarist/vocalist and a drummer. We all sing back-ups. So I have 3 vocal mics and several drum mics ( toms, floor toms, kicks, snare, hi-hat). In reality, until we play someplace where it is necessary to mic the guitar cabs and bass cabs, we really only need 1 monitor mix. I need 2 channels though because we need 2 monitors for the drummer and you can't run 4 8 ohm monitors off any one side of a power amp.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I'm not really concerned with running in stereo, other than the fact that when you operate this console in mono ( which I am still unsure how to do) you lose headroom. The only reason I want to run the subs aux fed is because with our previous set-up I never could keep the kicks out of the mains and monitors. I want kick and floor toms only in the subs and I want no vocal mics in the subs.

 

[walterw]

it doesn't work that way.

kick, bass, and the toms very much should be in the mains! it's just that they should also be in the subs, while the higher-pitched stuff (like vocals) is better kept out of the subs.

 

[walterw]

I have a 3 piece band. Me, a guitarist/vocalist and a drummer. We all sing back-ups. So I have 3 vocal mics and several drum mics ( toms, floor toms, kicks, snare, hi-hat).

then make this mess easy on yourself!

mono out into a graphic into the crossover; highs out to the tops, lows out to the subs.

hitting the high-pass button on the non-"subby" channels and also rolling the lowest EQ knob down a pinch will keep those channels out of the subs just fine.

use the biggest amp just for the subs (maybe even bridge it if necessary); use one side of the other amp for highs, the other side of it as monitors for one guy, then the other amp for the other two monitor mixes. (each monitor amp channel gets signal from auxes 1 through 3 from the board.)

if you guys are doing stage volume for the amps, you probably don't need more than the kick miked on the drums. (especially if the drummer is singing, as his vocal mic picks up all the other drums all too well.)

a hi-hat mic is way down the road.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I'm not opposed to mono Walter, although I do have a few concerns. For starters, I am not sure EXACTLY how to hook this board up in mono. You mentioned the A-B, but do I simply plug into the A-B out and depress the mono button under the fader on the top? Also, doesn't this decrease my headroom? Also, do I leave the pan controls all centered?

It took some bitching for me to convince drummer boy that we don't want to run overhead condensers for the cymbals. I would probably have to beat his ass to get him to remove the snare and floor tom mics ( and he is a big ol' bastard. lol)

So I take it you are not recommending aux fed subs?

 

[BassGuyFL]

I'm not opposed to mono Walter, although I do have a few concerns. For starters, I am not sure EXACTLY how to hook this board up in mono. You mentioned the A-B, but do I simply plug into the A-B out and depress the mono button under the fader on the top? Also, doesn't this decrease my headroom? Also, do I leave the pan controls all centered?

Simply pan everything L or R and use the L or R XLR out to connect to your crossover. This is how I have mine setup.

To hook up the Microverb 4 you need a cable like this:
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As far as aux-fed subs goes that's personal taste. IMHO there's a lot of sound detail you lose when you only send low end from the kick/bass to the sub. You can experiment with EQ and crossover points and get a good sound.

 

[walterw]

it's fine to use one side of the board, just pan everything hard to that side. for mono, you would indeed center all the pans and hit that button.

as for headroom out of the A-B outs, it's OK like it is, but down the road you can get the upgrade chip installed that will kick it up to true +4 balanced out. i did that to mine, one each for A and B out, and it was a marked improvement.

that hosa cable is an insert cable, which is what you don't want for this. effects get put on post-fader auxes, so one effect can work on any and all channels, and so that the entire channel's signal isn't forced through the effect (which can sometimes degrade the sound).

yes, people will insert another special reverb just for the snare drum or whatever, but that's for down the road. inserts are for things like compressors, EQs or gates, things that affect the actual volume.

since your amps apparently have their own DSP and stuff including crossovers, you can send to the subs amp either daisy-chained with the signal the tops amp is getting (A to one, B to the other, A to an EQ, and if the EQ has two parallel outs, one to each amp, or even into one amp and out the other signal input (not speaker out!!) to the other amp.

the amps will both get the same signal, but one will only do lows while the other only does highs.

you'd then just adjust the volume of the two amps so that the highs and lows are balanced; then, you'd use your high-pass buttons on the channels to keep whatever you want out of the subs.

for aux-fed, just use the main out to tops and a post-fader aux out to the subs. (trouble here is that turning the main fader up or down for overall volume throws off the balance of tops to subs.)

i suppose you could also use the left/right outs as tops/subs; use (say) left for tops, and pan everything hard left. then, just bring back towards center what you want to be in the subs, too. (remember, you don't want anything only in the subs, that's useless.)

this way, moving the two main faders at the same time doesn't throw off the balance of tops to subs.

i like mono with a normal crossover on my mixwiz (same as yours) because i'm using all 6 auxes (4 in-ear mixes, delay and reverb), and because i like to pan vocals on one side and everything else on the other and insert a compressor on that side's main insert for all the vocals.

this also makes it easy to quickly turn the vocals up and everything else down if need be.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Thank you Walter. I think I understand most of that. This part here confused me a little though.

"since your amps apparently have their own DSP and stuff including crossovers, you can send to the subs amp either daisy-chained with the signal the tops amp is getting (A to one, B to the other, A to an EQ, and if the EQ has two parallel outs, one to each amp, or even into one amp and out the other signal input (not speaker out!!) to the other amp.

the amps will both get the same signal, but one will only do lows while the other only does highs."

 

[walterw]

they'll both get the full-range signal, either jumped from one amp's input off the other, coming out of the A and B outs on the board (which are the same as each other), using a splitter Y cable, left and right from the board, whatever.

the subs amp will be set internally to only put out 100Hz and below, while the tops amp will be internally set to only put out 100 and up.

 

[Floyd Eye]

they'll both get the full-range signal, either jumped from one amp's input off the other, coming out of the A and B outs on the board (which are the same as each other), using a splitter Y cable, left and right from the board, whatever.

the subs amp will be set internally to only put out 100Hz and below, while the tops amp will be internally set to only put out 100 and up.

Gotcha. Thanks Walter.