Mohini Dey, Danny Sapko, AI

[Dr. Cheese]

This is sort of funny and it makes you think.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

In all honesty, I think she just hustling and doing whatever endorsements come her way.

 

[HolmeBass]

Can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em?

But yeah I think for her it’s just another gig in the hustle.

 

[atquinn]

In all honesty, I think she just hustling and doing whatever endorsements come her way.

Well, yes; but you can justify all sort of bad behavior on those grounds though. She's not the only one to do this. These GenAI music companies are throwing endorsements at everyone. Some are pinching their noses and cashing the checks. I assume that others aren't.

 

[PeaveyPlayer]

I don’t care lol
As someone who’s much younger

Open your ear to the music… it may not be “art” but it’s a tool
And definitely be used to develop your ear and learn how to be put in “uncomfortable situations” where you can play along

 

[jTrolt]

I would hope, with the musical vocabulary I assume she has, that AI in the hands of a professional musician such as her, some "neutral ground" can be established between the use of AI and actual artistry (AA?). Seems we'd better learn a compromise, lest the whole situation turns into 100% robot music. In that respect, I'd like to forgive her for trying. Then again, in the trying, we're contributing to the race to irrelevance. A conundrum, indeed.

Eckhart Tolle made a stunning statement years ago about consciousness, in that it could easily continue well beyond humans. He loosely joked that consciousness doesn't care what form it takes: "humans? -Eh - we already tried that..."

Freaked me out and took a bit to process and relax back into thinking that's a pretty extreme scenario that most likely wont happen.
Really uncomfortable now, the more I learn about AI and it's projected progression towards that being a very likely inevitability.

We know the end result will likely be a disaster, but if we don't race to the bottom of the pit of oblivion first, we might loose, and someone else will rule over the ash heap. Can't have that, now can we?

Sad, watching the decline of modern society.

 

[Michedelic]

Homosapiens are proving to be a failed experiment.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Well, yes; but you can justify all sort of bad behavior on those grounds though. She's not the only one to do this. These GenAI music companies are throwing endorsements at everyone. Some are pinching their noses and cashing the checks. I assume that others aren't.

I did not endorse what she has done. I described what she has done.

 

[SteveC]

We are lost as a species. Homo sapien means wise man in latin. I don't see it. Social media accelerated the demise. AI will finish us. Both started out as interesting and fairly harmless ideas. Now they are a threat. Much has been written on the subject. Just because you can do something, doesn't always mean you should. The quest for individual wealth and power will be the demise of society. I fear for my children and what kind of world they will have to live in because of our shortsightedness.

 

[cyclealt]

In all honesty, I think she just hustling and doing whatever endorsements come her way.

Wack.

I miss the days when we would have no problem calling people sell outs, and shills.

 

[jerry]

Musicians used to just gig for a living, now it seems you really have to chase income streams anyway you can, and that means continuous web content. I don't blame her, its just the way it is there days. I personally don't dig it, but I'm a luddite, I think everything went south with the smart phone and social media, we get shallower by the day.

 

[D.A.R.K.]

I like money. Where's my crocs? I also vote against my best interests, regularly, and then blame others. I like money.

 

[ImTheOnlyOne]

Perhaps we could be passing voltage through our amps more often than through our screens and CPUs.

"Hey, Siri. Sing me a song about tomatoes and potatoes, but deliberately mispronounce those two words from time to time for a lighthearted comedic effect. Then name that whole song after a popular bug repellant."

 

[bassbrad]

Anything for the bucks, and I refer to both Danny and Mohini.
OTOH anything that get you through to the next payday is an essential thing these days, especially for musicians.

Musicians used to just gig for a living, now it seems you really have to chase income streams anyway you can, and that means continuous web content. I don't blame her, its just the way it is there days. I personally don't dig it, but I'm a luddite, I think everything went south with the smart phone and social media, we get shallower by the day.

Gigs money ain't what it used to be especially before the internet, frankly the money sucks. In most cases the entire band has to split what I once made for each gig, and we ain't talking touring sideman wages either just gigs I used to play locally plus those were not trios or quartets but often larger bands that included horns and such. Then again I have to admit that I don't go out to hear music as often as I once did so blame myself for that too.

 

[groovaholic]

Mohini could probably have 1-2 broken hands and still play circles around me - but she's taking a short-term view of this.
There's every indication that AI will do to musicians what streaming did to albums.

My only hope is that, long-term, the analogue is more like photography vs painting.

In 5-10 years, I expect the industry will rely on AI for all of the parts that are currently manipulated with auto-tune and quantization.
Maybe they sprinkle on human-created content (the main vocal and any applicable solos) to give a thin veneer of "real".
Put another way; if your track would be prerecorded for the halftime show at the SuperBowl, an AI will be taking that gig.

If that's the case, music would essentially split:

• The commerce side of the industry will be largely machine-made.
• The artistic/creative/intuitive side of things will have to come from human minds.

If there's a bright side, it's in knowing that tastes are cyclical and when the pendulum swings too far in one direction, it swings just as hard back to center:

• The Swinging 60s/British Invasion was a reaction to Post WWII austerity.
• Punk was a reaction to the excess of 70s prog and arena rock.
• The "O Brother Where Art Thou" soundtrack was a nostalgic balm amid the computer apocalypse anxiety of Y2K.

Action => reaction

 

[SteveC]

income streams anyway you can

So many examples of this.
Pay for Amazon Prime, then pay more for a specific movie or show.
Spend $80K on a BMW and then pay $15 a month if you want seat heat. All car manufacturers going to a subscription for "premium" options....that you already paid for and are on the vehicle.
It's outrageous.
I wonder when the revolt will happen? I will spend whatever it takes to keep my current vehicle running. Still cheaper than buying new and all my stuff works.

 

[jerry]

Mohini could probably have 1-2 broken hands and still play circles around me - but she's taking a short-term view of this.
There's every indication that AI will do to musicians what streaming did to albums.

My only hope is that, long-term, the analogue is more like photography vs painting.

In 5-10 years, I expect the industry will rely on AI for all of the parts that are currently manipulated with auto-tune and quantization.
Maybe they sprinkle on human-created content (the main vocal and any applicable solos) to give a thin veneer of "real".
Put another way; if your track would be prerecorded for the halftime show at the SuperBowl, an AI will be taking that gig.

If that's the case, music would essentially split:

• The commerce side of the industry will be largely machine-made.
• The artistic/creative/intuitive side of things will have to come from human minds.

If there's a bright side, it's in knowing that tastes are cyclical and when the pendulum swings too far in one direction, it swings just as hard back to center:

• The Swinging 60s/British Invasion was a reaction to Post WWII austerity.
• Punk was a reaction to the excess of 70s prog and arena rock.
• The "O Brother Where Art Thou" soundtrack was a nostalgic balm amid the computer apocalypse anxiety of Y2K.

Action => reaction

Actors are going to be decimated too, all those bit background parts that they get started on will be wiped out.

 

[jerry]

So many examples of this.
Pay for Amazon Prime, then pay more for a specific movie or show.
Spend $80K on a BMW and then pay $15 a month if you want seat heat. All car manufacturers going to a subscription for "premium" options....that you already paid for and are on the vehicle.
It's outrageous.
I wonder when the revolt will happen? I will spend whatever it takes to keep my current vehicle running. Still cheaper than buying new and all my stuff works.

Key fobs are 500 bucks, I miss three dollar keys at Ace hardware and I also miss when bumpers were bumpers, not pieces of plastic loaded with sensors.
/ old man rant off

 

[turf3]

Mohini could probably have 1-2 broken hands and still play circles around me - but she's taking a short-term view of this.
There's every indication that AI will do to musicians what streaming did to albums.

My only hope is that, long-term, the analogue is more like photography vs painting.

In 5-10 years, I expect the industry will rely on AI for all of the parts that are currently manipulated with auto-tune and quantization.
Maybe they sprinkle on human-created content (the main vocal and any applicable solos) to give a thin veneer of "real".
Put another way; if your track would be prerecorded for the halftime show at the SuperBowl, an AI will be taking that gig.

If that's the case, music would essentially split:

• The commerce side of the industry will be largely machine-made.
• The artistic/creative/intuitive side of things will have to come from human minds.

If there's a bright side, it's in knowing that tastes are cyclical and when the pendulum swings too far in one direction, it swings just as hard back to center:

• The Swinging 60s/British Invasion was a reaction to Post WWII austerity.
• Punk was a reaction to the excess of 70s prog and arena rock.
• The "O Brother Where Art Thou" soundtrack was a nostalgic balm amid the computer apocalypse anxiety of Y2K.

Action => reaction

My personal belief is that the Gammas, Deltas, and Epsilons will be fed a steady diet of mental White-Out in the form of AI-generated pasteurized music-like ear product; the Betas will get an upgraded verions, and the Alphas will go off in the woods with actual musical instruments and have bluegrass and jazz jam sessions. Probably recorded on salvaged cassette tape and said recordings passed around like samizdat.

 

[Swamp_Ronin]

In all honesty, I think she just hustling and doing whatever endorsements come her way.

Putting lead in gasoline was “just hustling.”