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most technically advanced bassist?

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#81
Grueber said:
It is in synch. Listen and watch
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ok ...prehaps it is in synch




but what they did is play their song at about half speed or less...... mimed to it and then sped it up....


easy when you know how......

just try not to move the neck around to fast or let wind on hair betray you when you speed it up.
 
#84
zazz said:
pleeeze....... i am not talking about fingers here ...just look at the neck ..a simple piece of wood ...its moving around at stupid acceleration ...its all sped up and been through the video effects mill....if you worked in video you would pick up on these elementary tell tell signs.....its just a promo rock video ..thats all it is!!!
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I don't think so. It's supposed to be them at a rehearsal.
 
#85
That video is real time and the music is up to speed. watch their hands! I can't believe you're all musicians and cant even tell if a song is sped up and if musicians are really playing it!

GET OFF THE INTERNET AND PICK UP YOUR BASS :rollno:
 
#87
morf said:
That video is real time and the music is up to speed. watch their hands! I can't believe you're all musicians and cant even tell if a song is sped up and if musicians are really playing it!

GET OFF THE INTERNET AND PICK UP YOUR BASS :rollno:
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Anyone see the irony in that posting?!?

Another consideration, harmonic technique. That is what is lacking in most metal bass players. There is a lack of understanding of how chords work and how to construct a bass line through complicated chord changes. I'm not saying this as a put down. It's just constructive criticism.

For example, can someone tell me how this relatively simple chord progression is functioning?

| C/D D/Eb | B/G |
 
#88
Grueber said:
I think you are speaking for a lot of musicians when you say stuff like that. How do you know how open minded a bassist(of any style) is to other types of music?
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Depends on what you mean by "jazzer". If you mean guys who post in jazz bass or jazz guitar forums, then I think he's wrong. If you're talking about great players, virtually every great jazz bassist or guitarist I know enjoys a wide range of styles. Once you've put in the time to become great at something , you develop an appreciation for other styles of music which might not be your first choice.
 
#90
I've seen cannibal corpse live many times. That's the real speed, seriously... K I'm done trying to convince you now, but seriously, sit down and watch it again.
 
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jzucker said:
Depends on what you mean by "jazzer". If you mean guys who post in jazz bass or jazz guitar forums, then I think he's wrong. If you're talking about great players, virtually every great jazz bassist or guitarist I know enjoys a wide range of styles. Once you've put in the time to become great at something , you develop an appreciation for other styles of music which might not be your first choice.
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I agree with you, but i don't understand how he knows what most metal bassists listen too or appreciate. They could get in their cars after a gig and pop in a Weather Report CD for all we know.
 
#94
Grueber said:
I agree with you, but i don't understand how he knows what most metal bassists listen too or appreciate. They could get in their cars after a gig and pop in a Weather Report CD for all we know.
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Understood! But it's one thing to appreciate other genres and another to be actually able to play them! Jazz/Rock fusion is the closest I've seen and heard a metal band play another genre. About a year ago a proponant of metal provided me an example of a death metal band playing latin music! :rollno: It was the worst thing I'd ever heard! Not one bit of a groove. Of course they threw a unison section in there that they played perfectly! Believe me, this cat had a huge metal collection and he tried to provide sample after sample in an effort to convince me (this went on for quite a few weeks mind you) but he came up empty! Don't get me wrong now, I've heard some really good metal that actually had more of a fusion feel to it! Really good musicians. I hate the growly vocals though! Gimme a real singer any day!
 
#95
DaemonBass said:
I'm 99% sure that is how fast the song is. Grab the CD and give it a listen, I'll bet bottom dollar that it's the same tempo as what you see in that video.
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way off topic but its played at half speed to the track at half speed then everything is sped up double....hence the guys are playing seemingly at the speed of the record.

i cant believe none of you guys know about this ...and if you think thats some vid camera casualy capturing a rehersal ...well get real...thats what they want you to think.

it has several points of view ....that would need several cameras at once ...its a just a video.

rock on.
 
#96
I think its got to be manring. Combining traditional slaping popping and other techniques along with his own techniques and extreme use of alternate tuning and tuning changes mid song mostly on a fretless(theyre all unlined) is just unbelievable. Plus hes probably the most intelligent person Ive ever met and incredibly nice. search on youtube for him there are tons of videos.

this is my favorite.
 
#97
To me "most technically advanced" would mean mastery of a range of techniques so I'll go for:

Victor Wooten
Michael Manring
Trip Wamsley

Stu Hamm, Jeff Berlin, Dave LaRue and Alain Caron are all incredible too although I haven't heard them exhibit quite the range of techniques.

I also love Willis, Jaco, Mark King, DiPiazza, Patitucci but they're not (from the stuff I've heard anyway) as wide ranging technically.

Right, I'm going to go and watch the Cannibal Corpse vid again as I didn't notice if it looked sped up and I'm intrigued!

Cheers,
Alun
 
#99
There's nothing arranged with the Cannibal Corpse vid. This song is on their album called The Wretched Spawn and it's the same as it is on this video.

Video which can be found on the dvd that comes with the album. There are also other songs from the same rehearsal that are shown on the dvd.

I seriously don't understand why it's so hard for some of you to believe that it is legit. They say it many times in the dvd: the point of playing death metal is to go as fast as possible, so i have no problem believing that one can play that fast considering it's their principal goal.

Scott Hubbell plays Flight of the Bumblebee on bass, just like Victor Wooten and countless other bassists who can achieve incredible speed.

This video is 100% real, get over it.
 
#100
What if Stanley Clarke and Victor Wooten were having a bass battle, and Stanley goes to Wooten, "Hey, man, you stole my lick!" And Victor says to Stanley, "No way, man, I made that up myself." Then Stanley attacks Victor with some serious Lopsy Lu, then Victor counters with some wicked triple thumb action. Then Stanley breaks out the upright and stuns Victor with some hemisemidemiquavers in thumb position. Then Victor goes after Stanley with some Tae Kwan Do moves. Then the guy from cannibal corpse, Alex Webster, gets in the middle of it and starts fighting both of those guys. Meanwhile, Jaco Pastorius has come back from the dead and starts banging the other guys in the head with a basketball. Then, James Jamerson figures he can come back from the dead, too, and spews everybody with barbeque sauce. Jeff Berlin puts on his boxing gloves and delivers some serious body blows to the guy from cannibal corpse, Alex Webster. Then Norman Stockton comes along and starts praying over everybody. Milt Hinton takes pictures of the whole thing.


Who would be the world's most awesome bass player then?
 
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