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Motown 101

Wasn't "I Was made to Love Her" Jamerson as well?

Don't let Carol Kaye hear this... :smug:

There's a big debate going on for years whether the bassline was played by Jamerson or Kaye. As much as I admire Carol's work I personally believe it to be Jamerson's work but I might be wrong.

As for the Motown thing: Motown was a label - period. As has been stated before the Motown recordings from the classic period up until 1972 are mostly prime examples of RnB and Pop - not to be confused with today's RnB à la Beyonce etc, of course.

Jamerson was the consumate Motown bassist but there were others, too: Babbit, Kaye, Chuck Rainey, Nathan Watts (check out Do I Do by Stevie Wonder and prepare to be blown away!) or Wilton Felder (who later played saxophone with the Crusaders - go figure!).

Imho Motown is very much singular - sure there are similar songs to be found on Stax/Volt or Atlantic, but the exact vibe of the classic era Motown sound was and never will be recreated.
 
To get into it a little deeper (or maybe go "one level up?")... If Jamerson was Motown and Motown is a subdivision of R&B, can you guys recommend some notable bassists/groups that Jamerson/Motown took inspiration from?

Jamerson had a background in Jazz (a very creative artform at that time). Naturally, he brought skill set that to the table. I've read comments that said the recorded tracks we have all heard are "toned down" compared to some of the other takes that did not see the light of day.
The other guys in the Funk Brothers may have had some Jazz...most probably had the Church & the Blues in their background.
This was an experimental time...things were in flux...it was OK to bring fresh ideas to "work".

IIRC, Chuck Rainey (a contemporary of Jamerson...and a fan) mentions that Jamerson's style employs a Root-Five-Octave approach with a baion rhythm.
So, this quasi-Brasilian/latin rhythm played against/with the backbeat of Benny Benjamin/Uriel Jones...made for a different "sound".

BTW, I read Dennis Coffey's book...in it, he mentions that Motown used two(2) drummers for the tunes. He said it was funny watching a cover band's drummer, thinking it was ONE guy, attempting to pull off the part(s).
 
Jamerson was the consumate Motown bassist but there were others, too: Babbit, Kaye, Chuck Rainey, Nathan Watts (check out Do I Do by Stevie Wonder and prepare to be blown away!) or Wilton Felder (who later played saxophone with the Crusaders - go figure!).

Imho Motown is very much singular - sure there are similar songs to be found on Stax/Volt or Atlantic, but the exact vibe of the classic era Motown sound was and never will be recreated.

Thanks for the other names, I'll check them out. That vibe you're talking about is what I'm really getting into lately and want to incorporate into my style.

Stevie Wonder - Do I Do (with Dizzie Gilespie!)

Wow, this is practically a Jamerson thread!

No kidding, right? I knew he was prolific, but still... lol

5sg.
 
...Imho Motown is very much singular - sure there are similar songs to be found on Stax/Volt or Atlantic, but the exact vibe of the classic era Motown sound was and never will be recreated.

I totally agree with this but it should be said that Stax/Volt was never trying to be Motown. They were similar in that they could be classified as R&B but each had their own sound and it was, IMHO, different but equal. I grew up listening to and playing both. Song writing alone for example: Motown had Smokey, Marvin and Dozier/Holland/Dozier; while Stax had Otis, Issac, Rufus and Steve Cropper; different styles of writing and production. Jamerson and Dunn both had their individual styles and grooves.
 
Great thread, can't believe with all the Motown and/or Jameson fans amongst the guys on this forum the thread is so small! (by comparison the "worship and praise club" thread is 24 x 1,000 posts and on the 25th!

Big Jameson fan here, totally refreshed my Motown view over the past couple of years. Learning bass lines note-for-note, feel-for-feel (hopefully, this is, mostly, Jamerson!). Started with the famous Jamerson-centric SITSOM book which is one of a kind - you'll struggle to find anything comparable about *any* other musician on any instrument. If you're into Motown and Bass you absolutely must get a copy of this book and tracks. Highly recommended. I've also got a couple of other Motown-specific bass books.

Plus of course loads of good old music, hits and not so well known. In keeping with the 101 tradition of helping beginners to the subject I'd suggest

* learn early Motown hits (lot of double bass there, with simpler lines)

* get hold of the SITSOM book and focus on the easier transcriptions
Look for the predominantly fourth/eighth notes tunes, there are loads of them eg "My Guy, Baby Love". Lot of double bass. "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" the Marvin Gaye is a beautiful composition, that can be considered a 101 song IMO.
Don't worry there are plenty of immensely challenging basslines with sixteenth notes but they can be savoured in "Motown 201" and higher ;-)

* focus on the feel, tone and energy.
After all these were Jazz guys and pop then wasn't much more than chord arpeggios. What they were starting to do basswise- and this was really driven Jamerson - was to create a new style of playing that was not pure jazz or pop. They didn't call themselves the Funk Brothers for nothing! Motown the label though was trying to be its own brand of pop, not R&B, they wanted to be successful and make serious money at the hit factory.

* some of the lesser known hits with Jamerson's electric bass work of minor complexity are nevertheless technically challenging physically, depending on your basses low end action and your chops, are well worth attempting. Songs like "I'm Wondering".

* get to know more about Jamerson that contributes to his unique style
He liked his action very high, he single-fingered right-handed ("The Hook") - his left hand was immensely strong, his right index finger very fast - he played with foam dampener by the bridge, his main basses were Precisions, he came from a Jazz double bass background and still played for kicks (and pay) in Detroit jazz clubs to the early hours through his career/heyday. At the time Motown considered Jamerson essential to a songs success - *any* song - he was always first choice in Detroit at least and considered a bass genius by his Motown peers, even then. Bassists loved his playing in the radio, even though they didn't know his name. He played down the low end a *lot*. In pop he pioneered amongst other things: the heavy use of sixteenths, chromatic runs and fourth/octave jumps in tunes - even in those with mid-high tempo. The body of work that comprise Jamerson's basslines contain, IMO, the most beautiful basslines ever played, most are in SITSOM, some of which are immensely challenging to play very well.

My personal take is that even getting close to the magic and genius of Jamerson's playing is always a very rewarding experience. Have a lot of fun!


Misc:
There are also some very good non-Jamerson Motown bass lines and playing too, but not anywhere in Jamerson's class which is stratospheric.
I'm not even half way through SITSOM yet consider myself an experienced beginner if that makes sense! Have a lot of time for Jamerson, any chat, comments, opinions, corrections - ping me!
 
It's R&B...some may consider it part of the Neo-Soul sub-genre of R&B.

While there isn't too much point in picking apart and deciding on a genre, especially when the artist probably doesn't care, I would certainly say Badu is neo-soul. She was a Soulquarian, THE neo-soul collective, and 'Mama's Gun' was a Soulquarian album.

That is, of course, dependent on whether or not we agree with Meshell Ndegeocello's assertion that "neo-soul" doesn't exist :p
 

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