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Moving from NJ to CA! (LA/Burbank)

I lived in Denver for a few years and would suggest taking I70. You'll hit Indy, St. Louis, KC, Lawrence, Denver, Grand Junction, and Vegas. Lots to see on the way, you can't beat the views of driving through the Rockies, just drive carefully.

I80 is just kind of MEH. The only point of interest was Chicago and it's just such a massive city, I barely caught a glimpse of the skyline from the highway.

Good luck with your move!
 
I see you're going through Columbus, Ohio... if you have time, and like burgers, hit up Thurman's... there's a really nice park with high end housing (read: safe) close, where you could park the van, and it's a short walk to the restaurant... it was featured on 'Man vs Food'... 1 pm is a good time to show up...

I wish you luck in your travels and your new digs...
 
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1. Southern route. You do not want to go anywhere near Denver. Traffic rivals LA and in some ways is worse.

2. Coral Cafe in Burbank. Might even be walking distance. Chili John's is risky.

3. Hiking in Verdugos is fun in winter but gets hot otherwise. Lots of great parks there; all are good. When it's warmer, head toward the coast or sometimes Griffith Park is good. Traffic is legendary for a good reason, though.

4. I'm in New Mexico now and you could not pay me enough to go back to LA. Good luck.
 
Music Stores:
The Amp Shop/Bass Exchange, North Hollywood (NoHo)
Norman’s Rare Guitars, Encino

Hiking:
The back range of the San Gabriels (30-40 minutes from Burbank)

Food:
Pit Fire Pizza, NoHo
Loteria, Farmers Market, L.A.

Wine:
Santa Barbara (90 minutes from Burbank)
Santa Ynez (1-1/2 hours from Burbank)
 
Ok, here is my .02.

I moved to Los Angeles (and I mean I live IN Los Angeles, Fairfax/Melrose) in early 2015 and it's been the best decision I've ever made. I came from Tucson AZ, and was living a comfortable existence. Now, because of "the big city" I'm constantly finding myself pushing for more, and to be better, in every way possible. I've made more interpersonal growth in the last three years than I had the 30 before. My wife and I are in a better place now than we have ever been, and I've made more career growth than I had in 10 years in my business before. It's been hard, but worth every extra dollar spent, drop of sweat, drip of blood, and tear shed.

This city is TOUGH and don't let anyone tell you different. It's crowded, it's expensive, and it's hard to get around. BUT, it's equally amazing all at the same time. It's just like every major metropolitan area, just MORE. Los Angeles is equivalent to Nigel Tufnel's Marshall. It's everything turned up to 11. But man, that tone is GLORIOUS!

I've stayed out of the music scene here. Not sure if its because I've been so busy with work (and school now) but it's still here. Hollywood is all about Poppy Hip-Hop and outdated Metal. I've heard there is a pretty decent Indy scene in East Hollywood and fringe DTLA. And there will always be decent stuff spread throughout the Valley. You just have to be patient and make sure your chops are up to snuff. I've heard horror stories of guys getting a chance to jam with people and getting laughed out of the studio. It's harsh, but when you're surrounded by some of the best musicians and musical talents in the country, it is what it is....

Hit me up if you want when you get here. I don't go out/socialize much anymore, but I can point you in the right direction of some cool spots...

- Kenny

Stay off the 405 whenever you can...You'll be stuck.

Awesome advice. Add the 101, 210, 5, and 10 to that list as well. LOL

Can you afford to live there? I have a friend who has to live with 2 other guys so they can afford the $3000 a month rent.

It's all in the lifestyle you want to live. Plus, I have found the compensation rates are higher here than other places (in my industry, at least.)
 
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Welcome to Paradise!
It's already been stated, but check traffic patterns when choosing your housing... What matters is traffic, not the number of miles.

#1 piece of advice would be to explore. LA is expensive, it's only worth it if you take advantage of the every day adventure. And with the great weather, I mean actually every day. There might be a week or two of light rain, but other than that, every day is a beautiful day!

There's every type of food imaginable, and fusions of those foods. Beach? Check. Hiking? Check. Cycling? Check. Night life? Check. Theme parks? Check. Pretty much whatever you want, we have it... Except for trees (the forest kind, we have the other kind :cool:).

In terms of actual suggestions... I don't actually know much on the east side, sorry! I still haven't finished exploring the west side after 5 years! You'll find that things are kind of split by east and west due to traffic through downtown. It's kind of a hassle to get from one side to the other. Good luck and safe travels!
 
Dude there's so much great hiking here, with the mountains right out your back door. I don't even know where to start. I mostly bike (gravel grinding and mountain biking) but it is pretty endless on foot or on bike here. Just right near Burbank there's tons. Here's a great ride I do but also great hiking: The LA Observer Bikepacking Route - BIKEPACKING.com

Any gravel grinding route suggestions? Right now I've got road tires on my gravel bike, but I've been looking to get new tires and get on some rougher roads. Don't have a mountain bike though. One downside of LA is you can't afford more space for things like bike and bass collections lol.
 
What kind of music do you play? If you gravitate at all towards Americana, roots, old school country, old R&B/blues, rockabilly, etc., check out Joe’s American, west on Magnolia, before you get to Noho/Toluca Lake...

I haven't played or really been into blues or country, but I'm in a fantastic place mentally and emotionally right now in that I've been digging on just about everything I hear these days, so I'm up for anything! I've visited out there a few times (Burbank specifically) so I've definitely heard the whole "the (insert freeway number here)" thing- I've already started to use the vernacular lol. And, I might be working an additional part time job in Pasadena so I may be spending a good amount of time there!

Thank you much for the suggestions- I've got some homework to do!

It's always scary moving, but you only live once. I left N.J. almost forty years ago and I loved living right out of the city, but I love living here more. Sometimes you just have to take a shot, it would be a shame and be 70 and thinking "what ifs".

Exactly! That sentiment is absolutely part of the motivation for the move. If I don't do it, I will literally always wonder- No thanks!

You got that right, also he'll have to learn about the topography, and how that impacts his journeys.

I somehow obliviously disregarded considering the topography, relative to the trip out there. However I am aware of the hills and such while driving around locally. Between the last two trips I took to Burbank (for about 2 weeks total), I think I drove about 1,200 miles- yikes!

I'd take the southern route, once you get to St. Louis you'll be travelling along the old route 66 via I40, considering the rig your driving you will get much better mileage on that big box truck w/ car in tow. The I 70-15 route west of Denver there are some very steep grades to traverse along the way, and while a lovely drive I wouldn't do it in a rig like that. Pick up a guide book on route 66 and get some kicks along the way. I think you'll be glad you did. Good Luck

Yeah I didn't think of the mountains and the truck/towing. I'm partially embarrassed that I hadn't considered that but oh well- the more you know! :thumbsup:

Thanks for your thoughts!

Agreed. You should have less chance of hitting bad weather as well.

As you're going through the California desert and hit Cabazon, make sure to stop at Hadley's and get your self a date shake (or date/banana shake.) You'll be glad you did!

I do love food, and sweets particularly- So that sounds phenomenal!

I forgot to mention, if indeed you're into blues and jazz and want to meet people, there's a long running blues jam out in Tarzana* most Monday nights run by Cadillac Zack, who also puts on actual shows in Pasadena and down in Long Beach as well...
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Plus, he has his Facebook page...

Amoeba is rad for sure! I picked up a few records there the first time I visited. I haven't visited any instrument shops yet so I'm excited to see those places as well.

I will have to check out the blues jam- I'm definitely interested! I haven't been super into the blues before but I'm open to just about anything. Suggestions are much appreciated!

what an exciting adventure!

although i don't love their newest location, nightingale rehearsal is in burbank. obviously you're pretty close to hollywood where you'll find metal, pop and a variety of other types of music being played. guitar centers in the area (you'll be right between the sherman oaks GC and the pasadena GC) have places to put up cards, and there are a number of open mics on mondays and tuesdays in the l.a. area - some actually post on CL. and i've found lots of cool people to play with on CL as well as plenty of flakes.

personally i just read the L.A. weekly online to check out just about any kind of event - although my cat likes to dig in the paper version :D

Sounds like fun! I'm currently coordinating a transfer for my part time job to either their Sherman oaks or Pasadena store, so I should be spending some time in either area! And yours is the second endorsement for LA Weekly- Sounds like I ought to check it out!

Good luck.

Much obliged sir!

Definitely go the southern route, you do NOT want to take I-70 west out of Denver with that load. Pulling out from Albuquerque westerly and through Flagstaff may be a grind, but I’d perfer that than going through hardcore Rockies.

That seems to be the consensus so thank you (and everyone else who mentioned it) for bringing that to my attention! Plus, BBQ drool

yeah, definitely check out Amoeba music, coolest record store west of the rockies

I look forward to exercising my self control while trying to keep from buying more records than I should!

Don’t have much advice right now.

Just as a fellow New Jerseyian who moved to the left coast almost 20 years ago (with a five year layover in the Caribbean), I wish you safe travels and contentment in your new locale!

I’m proud to be from Jerz; it has a lot of great things going for it and does NOT deserve all the jokes about it, but after adapting to warm weather, I can never see going back. I’m chilly when it’s 60 degrees out now! Ha!

Have a great trip & great time settling in & learning about your new “home”!!

Thank you much for the kind words! I'm definitely happy to have been brought up and raised here but looking forward to the change in scenery... and weather!

Be prepared , everything is expensive here . Gas is $3.50+ , rent is high . Weather is nice , it’s a one political party state ( no further details ) . Yeah take the southern route ( I-40 ) you will learn the freeway names . And don’t say “Out Here “ it’s just “Here “ ! Good luck

Duly noted! I scouted out prices during my previous visits to I'm prepared, at least I'd like to think so! My full time job is work from home, so the gas prices should have a relatively negligible impact on my wallet.

Dude there's so much great hiking here, with the mountains right out your back door. I don't even know where to start. I mostly bike (gravel grinding and mountain biking) but it is pretty endless on foot or on bike here. Just right near Burbank there's tons. Here's a great ride I do but also great hiking: The LA Observer Bikepacking Route - BIKEPACKING.com

I CANNOT wait. Part of the desire to move was to get away from flat NJ. Sure, there are the Poconos and the Adirondacks and such in PA/NY, but I need to drive 2 plus hours to get to the pretty tame hiking. In CA, there's much more intense hiking, and much more of it within reasonable distance.

Dude, I made the move to LA from NYC 27 years ago. I remember the novelty and strangeness, but I never second-guessed the decision.....

...Welcome.

There is definitely a palpable weirdness going on out there, and I love it. My part time job is with Apple, so assuming I can get this transfer locked down, I should have a great resource just in my coworkers as well. I appreciate the thoughts!

Santa Monica mountains has world class hiking. Chesebro is great. Hollywood hills - hike up to the sign, etc - are cooler than you’d think.

So much great food on the way, especially around Santa Fe. Go the northern route sometime when you’re not in a hurry and hauling a trailer.

My cousin has been telling me to do the sign hike since the first time I visited Burbank! And the food I've had so far has been fantastic- Looking forward to some tasty morsels along the way... the southern, less mountainous, and more temperate way! :thumbsup:

I moved from California to New Jersey in 1992. Took the northern route and saw more truckers going through the mountains than anyplace I've ever been...

That sounds like quite a venture! I certainly wouldn't mind traveling and making money through music! I'm more in the passion/hobbyist stage right now, but might pursue a more lucrative arrangement as far as paying gigs. Either way, I'll sure find out what the current state of the local music community in the near future!
 
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Any gravel grinding route suggestions? Right now I've got road tires on my gravel bike, but I've been looking to get new tires and get on some rougher roads. Don't have a mountain bike though. One downside of LA is you can't afford more space for things like bike and bass collections lol.

There's a lifetime of fire roads in the Verdugos, San Gabriels, and Santa Monicas.

Mountain Bike Trails near Burbank & Glendale
 
So....

Since I'll be driving out the first week in April, I'm guessing (hoping?) weather won't be too much of a factor early on if I decide to take the North route. But even in April driving through CO could be a wildcard I'd imagine. If I take the southern route it appears to be more moderate weather-wise, plus I can sneak in some authentic BBQ along the way. I'm not stopping to smell the roses on the way, so taking the north route and potentially being impacted by weather just to drive through gorgeous CO/UT might be a bit more risk than I'm willing to endure. I'm leaning toward the southern route for utility's sake, but I'm certainly open to insight!

Actually, the most direct for you is neither north nor south. It's I-70. I-40 or I-10 are what you would take from the South. Unless you wanted to see Chicago, or Mt. Rushmore, or whatever, you would stay on I-70.

Hmmm. Decisions, decisions. I know that you may not want to take your time. But the reality is that you may not have many opportunities to drive the entire continent, either. Believe me on this one. There is sooooooooo much incredible natural beauty to see along the way. It's just really spread out, and some of it is a little off the freeway. Not to get political, but for reasons.... political, I take every opportunity I can to tell people to go out and experience our nation's public lands. The West in particular has it in spades.

I-70 goes through St.Louis, which has great BBQ, and you can see the arch. I-70 does go through Denver, and over the pass. But it also gets close to Moab, Arches, Canyonslands NP, etc... Either way, if you've never driven a car at 80mph at above 11,000 feet, and worried about passing out, I highly recommend it. Something most easterners will never experience. I-70 meets with I-15, drives right by Zions and Bryce, and plenty of In-n-Outs. Vegas is Vegas. Hoover Dam is relatively close. I-15 is a "straight" shot to SoCal.

That doesn't even touch the Southeast, though. If you really want south, you will take I-40 or I-10. Both of which also see amazing areas, and end up in SoCal. Maybe less of worry weather-wise during April. But perhaps more out of the way for someone coming from NJ.

-Favorite hidden hiking spots/trails in CA?

There is no such thing as hidden in CA. It is big with lots of land. But it's the most populous state, with the best climate. People do everything outside in CA. There are great hiking trails everywhere.

My favorites are in the Sierra Nevadas, which are largely public park and forests. Not a day hike, but there is incredibly beautiful trails close to Mt. Whitney outside of Lonepine, CA.
 
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You need to hybridize your two routes. Once you hit St Louis, head over to Kansas. Kansas is no fun, but it beats Nebraska. And eastern Colorado always sucks, but that I76 through Ft Morgan is, for my money, the worst stretch of road in America.

You’ll have no worries driving through CO in April.

Made this drive many times; I grew up in Glendale and my mom’s from Burbank. Compared to NJ, you’re going to a much better place.

Thanks for the heads up on the route suggestions! I've got plenty of homework to do to really lay out the intended route as opposed to just following GPS. I'll try to avoid I76!

The Verdugo Hills will be your before/after work hiking spot. Within 2 hours, you can be in three mountain ranges that rise above 10,000 feet (the San Gabriels, San Bernardinos, and the Santa Rosa). The real motherlode is the Sierra Nevada, 4 hours north!...and that doesn't include the desert, which is awesome in its own right! So much great hiking!

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I can't wait to dive into the mountains there. Lucky for me, my full time job is work from home M-F 8-4, so once I'm done work I;ll have plenty of time to hit the trails, traffic notwithstanding. Thanks for the link!

Stay off the 405 whenever you can

Avoid driving through downtown between the hours of 5am and 8 pm (small window of opportunity right around noon)...

A lot of advice here- most of it applicable as all hell, and some already experienced! Being from NJ I shouldn't struggle to maintain appropriate highway pace, and I already creep out unto the intersection on those lefts so I should fit right in!

Oh, the Mexican is wonderful! And I've only had a few spots to far! I do love food and am really pumped for the breadth of options on which I'll be grazing!

Moving from NJ to CA! (LA/Burbank)

Can you afford to live there? I have a friend who has to live with 2 other guys so they can afford the $3000 a month rent.

Naa, I decided to move somewhere where the expenses outweigh my income significantly... :smug:

I kid of course! (in good fun as well- no snark directed your way at all)

Kidding aside, I did get quite a view of the rental market and what an absolute challenge it is to maximize what you get for your dollar. Small studios at $1,500+, one bedroom apartments for $1,800+, two bedrooms apartments at $2,300+, easy. But a lot of the expensive housing is in those highly populated and perceived desirable areas.

My ace in the hole is that I'm not a big city guy, so my long term housing solution should I decide to stay in CA would rest probably in the mountains or in the desert- where you can get way more for your dollar. But I'll be good financially with just my full time day job, while my part time job is just extra fun/savings cash. Plus I'm targeting a promotion/raise at my full time job so if all continues the way it's going, we should be gravy!

Last year I drove from Vermont to San Diego with my wife and 2 cats. It was AWESOME!...

That sounds great! I'm glad you had a positive experience on your move! The lovely weather is something I'm eagerly anticipating., and I'm sure I won't starve to find a band, if nor nothing else than just a fun/hobby band.

Take the southern route, brother, through OK, TX, NM, AZ. You'll make better time, better weather. Godspeed.

Thank you for the suggestions and kind words!

If your gig is in Lake Arrowhead, Big Bear or other mountain area you could encounter up to 3 feet or more of snow in the winter. The rain can be heavy around January or February. I once got stuck in Hemet after a gig when the roads flooded. Another time I got caught in a blinding dust storm on the way to a gig in Hemet.

I've been aware of the high weather variability/volatility in the mountains so it's definitely something I'll keep in mind. Many folks have suggested to me spending some time in Big Bear Lake (I actually almost rented a house up there before deciding to go closer to LA) so perhaps I'll experience some of that weather; it'll be an experience for sure!

Man, that hit home. I'm 35 and settled with a family and career... And "what if" already robs me of an hour or two of sleep.

Never too late to address those what ifs my friend! It may take a bit of a different form or take a bit longer than initially planned, but don't resign to the ship having sailed! There are plenty of other ships that can take you to the same proverbial destination!

Welcome to the jungle!

Yes, being here to find housing is essential. You'll quickly learn that you want to live as close to work as possible. Assuming where you work is worthy of living.

As guys above have said, you'll realize how far away something is distance wise means little as to how long it takes time wise.

- John

Thank you for the comments! My other ace in the hole is that my full time job is 100% work from home, M-F 8-4, so I'm spared of the huge commuting headache I'd otherwise have to negotiate daily. My part time job will only be about seven miles away (probably in Pasadena) so I'm sure that trip will take significantly more time than a NJ suburban 7 miles, but that will only be a few days a week.

lived there for 25 years. Moved back to WA 2 years ago... In late Oct-early Nov they have Bass player Live in LA... you need to check it out. Been to it 3 times and its like NAMM but only for bass players and clinics all day!!

Oh my I've never heard of that- but I've lusted after attending NAMM (perhaps misplaced lust? I've read mixed reviews of the NAMM experience) so Bass Player Live sounds awesome. I'll need to keep na eye out for that- thanks for the rec!

I lived in NJ for a while and now live in Socal - about 45 minutes from Burbank. When you come out, don’t look me up.

Take the more southern route - in April, some of those mountains you’ll driving through (uh, the Rocky Mountains!) will still get snow. Plus pulling that load, try the less mountainous route...

Some good advice here as well so thank you for the pointers. Regarding the superficiality of LA: I've heard but I'm not sweating it. I've had my fair share of tumult and unpleasant experiences as a result of disingenuous people in my life (haven't we all), and my BS detector is pretty finely tuned as a result.

I'm generally pretty selective who I share my time with so I should be able to swiftly filter out those who aren't worth the energy. Antennae will be up though for sure.

Funny enough - its not just the time or the distance, its the cars. On the East Coast, I’d go drive an hour to get somewhere 60 miles away...

I hear you, friend! I've experienced the driving situation in and around LA/SoCal a bit so it won't be too much of a shocker. I'm generally a contingency planner so I'll be sure to continue to plan for exorbitant travel times.

Angeles Crest Highway was a gem in the rain or snow, too. The great majority of unpleasantness in driving in SoCal was, and I bet still is, none of the impediments I itemized below, it was the high density traffic...

Having driven many a mile in NYC/NJ traffic and Jersey shore traffic both from Philly and North Jersey (as you referenced), the LA traffic I've experienced so far has felt pretty similar, there's just more of it.

And I don't know if I'm crazy, but the traffic in SoCal seems more considerate than in NJ. Most of the people driving around here either have their heads up their bottoms, are total a-holes, or are dangerously/gratingly unaware of their surroundings on the road. Cruising around LA people are still aggressive and boneheaded, but at least they have a purpose and are cutting you off knowing you're there as opposed to cutting you off because they didn't check if you were there.

I don't know if this follows any discernible logic, but I'll take assertive, aware drivers over morons who aren't paying attention. Maybe I'll change my tune once I get there and spend more time, but I'm prepared either way! Thanks for the insight!

Being from California, all I can say is sounds like you're going from bad to worse. My plan is to get out of this state as soon as possible and I was born and raised here. I wish you luck, but watch your back. We are becoming the poverty and crime capitol of the USA. Keep safe!

Not trying to be a downer, it's just not what it is hyped up to be, but it was once upon a time.

No worries, I definitely understand what you mean. I'm in a similar spot with Jersey (born and raised, and have wanted to get out ASAP) but as we both know, it's all subjective and relative. Best part of this move: It doesn't have to be permanent. If I arrive at the same conclusion you have yourself, I can always come home, or try out Washington, or Oregon, or anywhere! I think the journey, change of scenery, and fulfilling a long time goal will keep me enchanted at least for a bit until the crappy realities of living in CA sink in.

I take solace in the fact that it's all a matter of perspective though. Best of luck to you in your departure!

When I was 19 I had a buddy that was going to GIT. His girlfriend was a homebody and bailed two weeks before he was going so he asked me to go for while.

From a dumpy little town called Sydney Nova Scotia to Hollywood California!!...

That sounds like quite a good time! I look forward to creating some lasting memories in this new chapter of my life. With the higher concentration of the music industry in LA I'm hoping to find myself in some unique experiences!

Thanks for sharing and the well wishes!

I have made this drive a four times with a loaded pickup and UHaul trailer, though I took the I 10 route. I would suggest you take 76 through Pennsylvania until you hit 70 just outside Pittsburg. Take 70 all the way to Kansas City and pickup 35 south...

Thank you so much for the route suggestion! I'll have to map that out and take a peek, but it sounds like a great route. I work in insurance and as a result have adopted a general "risk aversion" strategy with regard to certain things... this drive is one of them. And with a relatively even route once you pass PA, that sounds like the kind of drive I'd prefer. I'd definitely like to avoid mountain driving as much as possible so this might be the way to go.

I have a pretty ambitious plan set for driving out there with regard to time/stopping, so it will be an experience one way or the other. I'll be sure to update once I'm up and running!

LA's a lot cheaper than NYC. And you might even get a place with a parking slip. Heck...the rent in LA's cheaper than where I live now and the weather is a lot nicer. Been trying to get my wife to move there for years.

Just get used to saying "in line" when you are "on line" (for coffee and such)

...Wait- Was I supposed to have been calling it "on line" while waiting for an order for the past 30 years?! I've been "in line" for things and generally reserve the term "online" for interwebz contexts. But it sounds like I've belonged in CA this whole time! :laugh:

And you are correct- You don't have to spend inordinate amounts of money to live near LA (but it seems very easy to feel like you HAVE to). It takes some strategic maneuvering but life can be maintained close to LA for not that much more than other areas back east.
 
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South Cali is a place where one spends more time outdoors vs indoors. Thus, apartments and condos are more for sleep, eat, and storage. The rat race is as strong in LA as it is in NJ, traffic is the same. Find work in the off hours and avoid the rat race.
 
Having driven many a mile in NYC/NJ traffic and Jersey shore traffic both from Philly and North Jersey (as you referenced), the LA traffic I've experienced so far has felt pretty similar, there's just more of it.

And I don't know if I'm crazy, but the traffic in SoCal seems more considerate than in NJ. Most of the people driving around here either have their heads up their bottoms, are total a-holes, or are dangerously/gratingly unaware of their surroundings on the road. Cruising around LA people are still aggressive and boneheaded, but at least they have a purpose and are cutting you off knowing you're there as opposed to cutting you off because they didn't check if you were there.

I don't know if this follows any discernible logic, but I'll take assertive, aware drivers over morons who aren't paying attention. Maybe I'll change my tune once I get there and spend more time, but I'm prepared either way! Thanks for the insight!

This has been my experience. I came up driving on SoCal roads. CA drivers are very predictable. You can be bumper-to-bumper at 80mph. But you know that everyone around you is not gonna do anything sudden. People can get aggressive. But it's less sporadic and extreme, if that makes any sense. There's just this sense that you can rely on the knowledge that although someone might be aggressive, they are experienced enough with heavy traffic to know that they are putting their own lives at risk as much as everyone around them.

I live in rural Appalachia now, and I can't give the drivers here enough cushion. People do the dumbest things. And consequently, the worst accidents happen. I saw a lot more cut-offs, etc... in DC and Chicago, than in CA. But in general I still feel safer around aggressive drivers in urban areas, than in rural. You'll have no problem in CA.

CA has rural areas, too. But in general, I think westerners are so accustomed to having to drive long distances, that there is less variance in driving styles. As opposed to say, Appalachians, Westerners have no problem driving 10-12 hours to see family in another state. OTOH, there are people here who have never been to D.C, which is only a few hours away. Chicago is 8. Philly is 9. I've been to all of them since living here.
 
Just a quick tip on the hiking thing, them hills are home to big ol' kitty cats and not the sweet cuddly type. Maybe check with local authorties on recent sightings in the area before heading out. They've been known to lurk along the fringes of populated areas hoping to nab the occasional slow dog or little kitty cats, coyotes are in abundance as well.
 
South Cali is a place where one spends more time outdoors vs indoors. Thus, apartments and condos are more for sleep, eat, and storage. The rat race is as strong in LA as it is in NJ, traffic is the same. Find work in the off hours and avoid the rat race.

I'm somewhat removed from the rat race (depending on your particular definition of the rat race!) so I'm ahead of the game! I'm excited to spend much more time in sun!
 
Just a quick tip on the hiking thing, them hills are home to big ol' kitty cats and not the sweet cuddly type. Maybe check with local authorties on recent sightings in the area before heading out. They've been known to lurk along the fringes of populated areas hoping to nab the occasional slow dog or little kitty cats, coyotes are in abundance as well.

Oh you're not lying there! Between my time in the woods hunting, and hiking up in British Columbia, I'm no stranger to big game/predator awareness.

Funny related story- While camping one night in the aforementioned British Columbia, I was certain that my friend and I were going to get mauled and/or eaten by what I wholeheartedly believed was a bear/mountain lion ambling around and grazing our tent. The knife and bear spray were at my feet, so I thought it wise to stay still and hope the beast passed by rather than startle or poke its curiosity further.

What felt like an eternity later (I'm feeling my nerves tense up as I type this), the noise subsided a bit and I mustered up the fortitude to get up and see what the hell was what.

Turns out it was the wind blowing the brush around the tent, and blowing a lose section of the rain fly against the tent.

I legitimately came to terms with mortality that night since I truly acknowledged and accepted that I may not have made it through the animal attac- I mean wind.

In any case though, I'll be sure to stay diligent while taking in the mountains!
 

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