musical notation questions

[dreamadream99]

3/4 = Waltz/Jazz Waltz File:Phenakistoscope 3g07690d.gif - Wikipedia

3/2 - Don Kasper,

3/8 or 3/16 - possible but highly unlikely.

From our TB thread.
3/4 vs. 6/8 (time signatures)

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Well, I guess I'm no match for a Wikipedia chart. It must be right.

 

[stringtapper]

It might have been more clear to use 3/8 but I don't know how much clearer I can make the point that a quarter note doesn't always get one beat (which was the crux of the OP's question), and that the time signature defines what note gets one beat. I have reiterated that in every message, including the first one.

"in most cases" isn't in every case and you can't say my statements are wrong because they are not. Yes conductors may decide to use conducting pattern shortcuts to deal with them but that doesn't change the time signature, which defines how many beats to a measure and what note gets one beat.

I think you're just to being argumentative at this point and we could go on and on with a discussion that started to be interesting, but at this point it's pretty well diverted from the poor OP's original question. So I will back out of the discussion at this point and let you continue arguing with yourself and perhaps the OP can get some better insight from others.

The only thing wrong about what you're saying is the part about the time signature always showing the beat. It doesn't, because compound time signatures exist. In a compound time signature the metric denominator denotes the rhythmic value of the division of the beat rather than that of the beat itself. Again, the cases of compound meters being used as simple meters (denominator equals the beat) are the exceptions.

 

[Fredrik E. Nilsen]

Sometimes, I think that a lot of our TB members (full/part-time teachers) are just arguing about their PEDAGOGY ideas/visions/ideologies which has not so much to do with any PRACTICAL application in real life.

On the contrary. Notation is about communicating musical ideas in a correct, consistant and understandable way. We all strive to do that all the time. We try it out with students, we re-write and re-arrange, we try to learn as much as possible to make sure our notation works as intended. And if it doesn't work, we change it.

 

[Rip Van Dan]

For the record: I didn't say your statements were wrong, I said your point (which I earlier have supported) would have been clearer if you chose a different example.

I can agree with that Fredrik. I wish I had given the example of 3/8 as it would have been much clearer and a much better example. Thanks for clarifying that.