My Dirt Bender - Another Jounal

[Ritter667]

Have you considered revisiting the (in)famous Boss MT-2 Metal Zone for this journal?

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/the-power-of-the-metal-zone.1662100/

 

[el murdoque]

Have you considered revisiting the (in)famous Boss MT-2 Metal Zone for this journal?

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/the-power-of-the-metal-zone.1662100/

I've never had one. Should I go for the WAZA version?

 

[Ritter667]

I've never had one. Should I go for the WAZA version?

Well, I suppose that would probably be appropriate for the review, so you can test out both the original classic standard mode and the new custom Waza one.

That said I prefer the standard mode.

 

[el murdoque]

Well, I suppose that would probably be appropriate for the review, so you can test out both the original classic standard mode and the new custom Waza one.

That said I prefer the standard mode.

Looking at the used market, the Waza seems to be expensive while the regular one can be had cheaply.

 

[GrowlerBox]

Looking at the used market, the Waza seems to be expensive while the regular one can be had cheaply.

The Waza pedals aren’t exactly in cork-sniffer territory, but I would have thought they fall outside your stated initial conditions for this jounal expe-iment.

 

[Charlie Tuna]

Ok, don’t know how I missed this thread

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/singular-audio-tubedrve-pedal.1657712/

This just shot to the top of the Next pedal list.

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Just putting this one back into the Jounalsphere

 

[el murdoque]

The Waza pedals aren’t exactly in cork-sniffer territory, but I would have thought they fall outside your stated initial conditions for this jounal expe-iment.

Yes, I'm about to broaden my horizon.

Here's a personal confession: I have a strong dislike for Boss pedals. I absolutely hate their knobs and I don't like how they look.
The only one I'm willing to tolerate is the OC-2 because that's a freak of nature that found it's niche in bass synth and frankly, there's little in the way of alternatives. I tried all those pedals that are absolutely true and faithful clones of the OC-2 and none of them worked for me. Luckily we're talking dirt pedals here so I don't need to get riled up about octavers.

And I do think the Waza is a bit over the top in the wrong kind of way in this particular regard. You want brutal high gain distortion, but make it a bit more refined and cultured by letting the lab coat wearing Japanese pedal experts giving it the once over?

That's like taking 90's Max Cavalera, putting him in a Tux and send him off to a Gentleman's reception.
He'll still stick out. The hair, the beard, the tattoos.

If, and that's still at least a medium sized if, I purchased a Metal Zone, I'd go for the OG version.

 

[el murdoque]

Just putting this one back into the Jounalsphere

OMG. Totally forgot about that. First thought was it's a Sushi ripoff, but it's not.
I read two pages of the thread and I think I'll have to get one.

I don't suppose @Singular Audio has some sort of test unit I could borrow to hype up the readers of the Jounal ;-)

 

[Stubb]

I also used to hate Boss pedals, but they just work. I had a CE-2w a while back and have an OC-2 now. Generally I prefer top jacks, but I've had a few live mishaps that the gigantic target of a Boss pedal would've prevented. They don't look as neat as a full row of top jack 125b pedals, but they were onto something with that enclosure design.

 

[el murdoque]

You know, in any hobby, there is this one brand that is considered "the good stuff" by the newbie or the outsider.
When you have next to no time invested, but want to buy quality, the first thing that comes up, and the first thing that your local dealer carries.
You can stay in that shallow pool and be happy.
However, if you start diving deeper, you realize that there are lots of other brands that are more obscure to the outsider, but surpass that brand you thought "the good stuff" in many ways.

In my book, that's Boss when you consider pedals.

 

[warptheory]

You know, in any hobby, there is this one brand that is considered "the good stuff" by the newbie or the outsider.
When you have next to no time invested, but want to buy quality, the first thing that comes up, and the first thing that your local dealer carries.
You can stay in that shallow pool and be happy.
However, if you start diving deeper, you realize that there are lots of other brands that are more obscure to the outsider, but surpass that brand you thought "the good stuff" in many ways.

In my book, that's Boss when you consider pedals.

Yep, my first pedals were a Boss Tuner, Bass Chorus, ODB-3, and an MXR Envelope Filter. Was happy for several years.

And then I found TalkBass...

You all are enablers and I hold you personally responsible for my current financial state.

 

[Maxi Funkl]

Yep, my first pedals were a Boss Tuner, Bass Chorus, ODB-3, and an MXR Envelope Filter. Was happy for several years.

And then I found TalkBass...

You all are enablers and I hold you personally responsible for my current financial state.

Yeah it's a darn dangerous place. LOL

 

[GrowlerBox]

You know, in any hobby, there is this one brand that is considered "the good stuff" by the newbie or the outsider.
When you have next to no time invested, but want to buy quality, the first thing that comes up, and the first thing that your local dealer carries.
You can stay in that shallow pool and be happy.
However, if you start diving deeper, you realize that there are lots of other brands that are more obscure to the outsider, but surpass that brand you thought "the good stuff" in many ways.

In my book, that's Boss when you consider pedals.

All of this is true, but Boss has such huge range of pedals that it’s hard to generalise. I’m looking very closely at the DM-101 analogue delay, for example, and I don’t think there’s much else that touches it for sound, features and interface, even the Suhr and Chase Bliss digitally-controlled analogue delays (although they come very close).

 

[el murdoque]

All of this is true, but Boss has such huge range of pedals that it’s hard to generalise. I’m looking very closely at the DM-101 analogue delay, for example, and I don’t think there’s much else that touches it for sound, features and interface, even the Suhr and Chase Bliss digitally-controlled analogue delays (although they come very close).

Moog MF-104 ?

 

[el murdoque]

All of this is true, but Boss has such huge range of pedals that it’s hard to generalise. I’m looking very closely at the DM-101 analogue delay, for example, and I don’t think there’s much else that touches it for sound, features and interface, even the Suhr and Chase Bliss digitally-controlled analogue delays (although they come very close).

...but I was actually talking about those boxes that all look the same, not the big ones.

 

[Stubb]

Moog MF-104 ?

Perhaps the best regarded analog delay ever, one that's been out of production for years and costs four figures if you can find one, might be a hair better. But even then, the current production comparison for that is the Ashville Music Tools ADG-1.

The appeal of Boss stuff is that it just plain works, and basically forever. If all you need is a great sounding analog delay, a DM-2w is an absolute classic and there are millions of them available.

I've had 3Leaf, Iron Ether, JAM, Origin, Southampton, Broughton, Mu-Tron, etc. All are great. But Boss absolutely nailed it with the OC-2, CE-2, DM-2, BD-2, and plenty of others. I'm not familiar with their compressors, filters, or drive pedals for bass, but in terms of modulation and delay, Boss set the benchmark and continues to do so. How many boutique pedals are trying to improve on the above-mentioned pedals at double the cost and a twentieth of the availability?

 

[sunbeast]

All of this is true, but Boss has such huge range of pedals that it’s hard to generalise. I’m looking very closely at the DM-101 analogue delay, for example, and I don’t think there’s much else that touches it for sound, features and interface, even the Suhr and Chase Bliss digitally-controlled analogue delays (although they come very close).

Thanks for mentioning the DM-101. I hadn’t heard of it before and now I definitely need to try one!

 

[GrowlerBox]

Moog MF-104 ?

As @Eric Cioe mentions, difficult to obtain for anything like reasonable (or even unreasonable) money. It has a couple of things the Boss doesn't (like an insert for modulation effects), but lacks things the Boss has (like a 4-head tape delay repeat style). The main thing it has that Boss lacks is cork-sniffer credibility, of course .

Point taken about the standard stomp-box type pedals.

 

[Stubb]

As @Eric Cioe mentions, difficult to obtain for anything like reasonable (or even unreasonable) money. It has a couple of things the Boss doesn't (like an insert for modulation effects), but lacks things the Boss has (like a 4-head tape delay repeat style). The main thing it has that Boss lacks is cork-sniffer credibility, of course .

Point taken about the standard stomp-box type pedals.

If you want the Moog analog delay thing, this is the pedal: Products - ADG-1 — Asheville Music Tools

 

[Charlie Tuna]

EHX Bass Soul Food

I’ll add a video here on the BSF, which is a “Klon for Bass: