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My Dirt Bender - Another Jounal

I've been curious about the Tumnus as well. I think the Deluxe with the EQ knobs would be more useful for bass. I think Klon's by design cut some lows, so you could mitigate some of that with the Bass knob.

I bought the JHS Notaklon last year, and while it sounds great on guitar, doesn't really work for bass as it loses some lows.
 
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So, the Aguilar Agro:

I actually bought this pedal for the second time. The first time around was more than a decade ago and Back then, I was not the pedal aficionado that I am today. I wanted a pedal that made my bass roar, a friend of mine worked for/with Aguilar and hooked me up with the only drive pedal in their portfolio (aside from the Tone Hammer). I put it on my board, it made my bass roar.
I can't even remember why I sold it, so when I found one for a good price on the second hand market, I pulled the trigger.


This is the old version, and I think it's a shame that Aguilar changed their housings from these to the newer ones, but I guess that now that Korg runs Aguilar, the production needs to be streamlined and going from the unique look to something more uniform comes also at a lower production cost.
Those old boxes really worked for me and I liked their slightly unusual form factor.


The Aguilar Agro has a four knob layout.
Volume is Volume,
Saturation is Gain.
The remaining two knobs are for shaping the sound:
Contour is a mid scoop. The manual states that it's centered at 900Hz and has a broad Q, fully clockwise is flat, fully CCW is maximum scoop - this is applied before the sound hits the clipping stage, so it also shapes the way the Agro distorts.
Presence controls the extreme high end, from 4kHz upwards and is capable of a -20dB cut, but only a +6dB boost. This comes after the clipping stage, so you can use it to tame the sizzle, especially when running direct without a cab sim.


The knobs have that typical Aguilar feeling to them. They run smoothly, but you need to apply a healthy amount of force to turn them. These pedals can go in a gig bag, travel a bit and come out with the exact same settings.


When I connected the Agro, I tried to find a tonal setting that resembles as flat of a tone as I could get, and I was surprised that I had to turn the presence knob down a fair bit. Around 9 o'clock it felt like there's no treble suck and no treble boost happening. Presence was easier - turn it up all the way and the effect is gone.
The way the presence knob works is interesting, I am under the impression that the Agro wants to add a lot of its grit in the frequency range that is affected by that knob. When you turn it up all the way and set a gritty tone, dialing it back will not only scoop the midrange, but also clear up considerably.
Also my ears tell me that this is not your standard mid scoop. At the first auditory glance, I could have sworn the low end gets bigger when you turn it down (towards the more pronounced scoop). Closer inspection reveals that it's not - it just gets more room to breathe because the overshadowing mid range gets trimmed down. I also learned that there is a lot of compression going on in the Agro. Even at milder settings, where the pedal is nicely reacting to touch, the amount of saturation increases the harder you hit, but your output does not send signal spikes down the line. When you cross a certain threshold on the Saturation knob, the pedal very much feels like a distortion. You can get fairly high gain sounds out of it - certainly past what a low to mid gain Overdrive is capable of. While at lower settings it sounds nice and gritty and certainly qualifies as a low gain drive pedal, it already feels like a high gain distortion. Not only because of the amount of compression applied, but also because of that thing I can't put my finger on, that thing that makes a distortion a distortion and not a high gain overdrive. That thing is, in this case inaudible, happening within the innards of the Agro, no matter what setting you choose. This can be great or it can be the opposite, depending on what you require of your signal chain. Purely for science, I tried to put an envelope filter after the Agro. The compression yielded a very even response from the filter, allowing it to be set precisely, but it also killed the dynamics of the filter because the trigger was hit so evenly. This can allow a player to set the Agro in its proper place in the mix and then add grit by hitting harder, but without pushing forward against the other instruments.


The sound of the pedal is something that I have no immediate comparison except maybe the Free The Tone Bass Blaster. With the Aguilar's midscoop dialed out, they both are able to hit your ears with that clank, that is not entirely unlike the Darkglass trademark clank, but sits about one register lower. This can push a mix with high gain guitars and blends in well, and gives you a ringing slap around the ears, but while I personally dislike the piercing quality of all the Darkglass products I ever tried, the Agro's clank is not only bearable, but indeed somewhat pleasant. It lends a certain aggressiveness to the tone, but more of a bruising kind instead of a cutting one.
I am reminded of shoveling gravel. When the truck has just dumped a pile of the stuff on your driveway and you're busy shoveling that into a wheelbarrow. The gravel is nice and loose, so the blade of your shovel bites deep when you push, and you can extract your shovel's worth of the stuff from the pile, now you turn around and let it slide off the blade into the metal wheelbarrow that's already half full. That's the feel of the grit you get. It's a throaty shout, but with a fresh throat that's healthy and properly maintained.
In the higher gain settings, the Presence knob mainly controls the sizzle on top and is pretty easy to set, I quickly found my sweet spot. The Contour knob will, as I said, suck out some grit when turned down. When you compensate by turning the Saturation knob higher, the nature of the drive feels very different. There is less of that cymbal-right-beside-your-ears ring to it and it gets more raspy - but also takes a step back in the mix. I think that with the knob low, you can produce some awesome bedroom tones, but when you try to use that sound with others, it sounds like the bass on "And Justice For All". You can dial back some of it, though. The sound gets a bit more refined while the step back in the mix is not that big.


In my opinion, the Agro is a sort of hybrid between an overdrive and a distortion pedal. It can do big parts of both, yet refuses to comfortably fit into either category. Which makes it somewhat unique.
 
I've been curious about the Tumnus as well. I think the Deluxe with the EQ knobs would be more useful for bass. I think Klon's by design cut some lows, so you could mitigate some of that with the Bass knob.

I bought the JHS Notaklon last year, and while it sounds great on guitar, doesn't really work for bass as it loses some lows.

I think I remember reading somewhere that Wampler designs pedals properly, and properly in that case means the little gizmos inside are strong enough to lift the heavy signal of a bass guitar.
 
I think I remember reading somewhere that Wampler designs pedals properly, and properly in that case means the little gizmos inside are strong enough to lift the heavy signal of a bass guitar.
The Wampler Triumph is a cheap way to get almost Broughton Scorpion territory. Not good enough to make my pedalboards but definitely good enough to hold onto just in I have pedal break or gets lost. IMHO would make a great 1st timers bass drive pedal.
 
I am reminded of shoveling gravel. When the truck has just dumped a pile of the stuff on your driveway and you're busy shoveling that into a wheelbarrow. The gravel is nice and loose, so the blade of your shovel bites deep when you push, and you can extract your shovel's worth of the stuff from the pile, now you turn around and let it slide off the blade into the metal wheelbarrow that's already half full. That's the feel of the grit you get. It's a throaty shout, but with a fresh throat that's healthy and properly maintained.
that's the best paragraph 👍
 
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About thirty pages back, you repeatedly tried to herd me into the purchase of a Wampler Tumnus.
Now that I'm ready to take that step, I want to inquire about the different iterations of that pedal. Apparently there are Tumnus and Tumnus V2, which are mini pedals and there also are Tumnus Deluxe versions with more knobs.
The mini versions seem to be faithful to the original Klon in knob layout, while the deluxe seems to have more EQ options going on.
I'm afraid you are barking up the wrong tree in this case; I was suggesting the Tumnus merely because you seemed to be on a roll buying any dirt pedal that moved, and I was curious about it myself. I've got no personal experience with any of the Tumnus pedals... LOL! As @warptheory suggested, I suspect the Deluxe is more suited (on paper, anyways) to bass duties, so that would have been my first port of call. But unlike you, I am decidedly not on a Dirt Bender, so have only tested and enjoyed my small little sample of dirt boxes. And, luckily, I've had a super high hit rate in terms of my enjoyment of the pedals I've bought, so I'm rarely tempted to try more things when already incredibly happy with the options at hand.

I shall continue to live vicariously through you and your bender/jounal, regardless of how long it takes, or via whichever user, for my suggestions to make their way to your "In" tray! You are fighting the good fight, mein freund. 🫡
 
This is the old version, and I think it's a shame that Aguilar changed their housings from these to the newer ones, but I guess that now that Korg runs Aguilar, the production needs to be streamlined and going from the unique look to something more uniform comes also at a lower production cost.
Those old boxes really worked for me and I liked their slightly unusual form factor.

The old case is not only cooler, it also was cheaper. The new one’s are $100 more expensive than before, at least over here.
 
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I have on my shortlist for pedals to try:

Tube Screamer - Bass version.
Ibanez? Blumes? Are there any other good ones?

A Klon type. Thinking Wampler Tumnus.

EBS Multi Drive
I own an Ibanez TS9B (Bass Tube Screamer). It's an interesting pedal and I'm really interested on your take if you grab one.
I like what it does, but I don't liken it to a standard guitar version with a blend. It imparts a flavour when switched on no matter where the blend knob is positioned - it definitely influences tone from maybe 200hz through to maybe 700/800hz - to my ears it imparts a boost across this spectrum. It doesn't sound boxy, but definitely pushes the midrange.

For me it has a similar effect that the SGFX Beta Deluxe could do on the "no diodes" mode. I wish I had kept that one too....might have to ask Santa for one of these.

I was also interested in your opinion of the Agro. I could never get this pedal to sound the way I wanted.....I felt like the distortion it imparts is too gritty/too harsh. I would try to tame the harshness with the Presence control, but then my overall tone sounded too dark. I could never make it work.

Multidrive was kinda the same - I just couldnt make it work. In standard and tube modes it became muddy, and in the flat mode it seemed to lose bass punch. I've bought and sold this one 3 times and same result each time.
 
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EQD Zoar.
On paper, it seems pretty close to the Scorpion.

In practice,
With the same settings, they're very different.
Used my ears to get it in the same territory.
Still, quite different.
Even with the gain all the way down, it's immediately dirty (@9V).
Thought "oh, this is cool. Different, but cool"
Then I tried again at 18V.
Much better.
It gets louder, cleaner, and closer to the vibe of the Scorpion.
Still not completely clean, like the Scorpion can get, but has a pleasant "crunch" that feels very natural.
 
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EQD Zoar.
On paper, it seems pretty close to the Scorpion.

In practice,
With the same settings, they're very different.
Used my ears to get it in the same territory.
Still, quite different.
Even with the gain all the way down, it's immediately dirty (@9V).
Thought "oh, this is cool. Different, but cool"
Then I tried again at 18V.
Much better.
It gets louder, cleaner, and closer to the vibe of the Scorpion.
Still not completely clean, like the Scorpion can get, but has a pleasant "crunch" that feels very natural.
i have both of those too and really like them.
 
I own an Ibanez TS9B (Bass Tube Screamer). It's an interesting pedal and I'm really interested on your take if you grab one.
I like what it does, but I don't liken it to a standard guitar version with a blend. It imparts a flavour when switched on no matter where the blend knob is positioned - it definitely influences tone from maybe 200hz through to maybe 700/800hz - to my ears it imparts a boost across this spectrum. It doesn't sound boxy, but definitely pushes the midrange.

For me it has a similar effect that the SGFX Beta Deluxe could do on the "no diodes" mode. I wish I had kept that one too....might have to ask Santa for one of these.

Interesting - I liked the Beta DLX with the no diodes setting best.

I was also interested in your opinion of the Agro. I could never get this pedal to sound the way I wanted.....I felt like the distortion it imparts is too gritty/too harsh. I would try to tame the harshness with the Presence control, but then my overall tone sounded too dark. I could never make it work.

I will use the Agro when I rehearse with the metal band next, I want to see/hear how it performs in a dense mix at high volume with my current tonal goals.
Maybe that compression could help, maybe it'll get in my way. However, gritty/harsh is what that pedal does.

Multidrive was kinda the same - I just couldnt make it work. In standard and tube modes it became muddy, and in the flat mode it seemed to lose bass punch. I've bought and sold this one 3 times and same result each time.
It seems you really wanted the Multidrive to work for you when you bought it thrice.
I've bought the Empress comp twice and both times listed it again in less than a week.
 
Where did you have it in the signal chain, and what bass were you feeding it?
A very hot signal?
Passive P-type bass... IDK, I just couldn't get a good clean base sound out of it to build on and I didn't love the way that it breaks up. Lots of people love it! Just wasn't for me.
 
Passive P-type bass... IDK, I just couldn't get a good clean base sound out of it to build on and I didn't love the way that it breaks up. Lots of people love it! Just wasn't for me.

That is kind of acceptable. The pedal says "Overdrive" in fat black letters on yellow on the side that faces the user.

If you want something Broughton with a Fender Tone Stack that runs clean, look for the Super Stack. I think @Charlie Tuna has one for sale (not affiliated).
 
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That is kind of acceptable. The pedal says "Overdrive" in fat black letters on yellow on the side that faces the user.

If you want something Broughton with a Fender Tone Stack that runs clean, look for the Super Stack. I think @Charlie Tuna has one for sale (not affiliated).
Yes—def realized this wasn’t what I was looking for. I wanted more edge of breakup/clean and that’s not what the scorpion does.