My experience going to custom IEMs

[Rocksolid]

The Rolls box is ideal for rehearsals. I run an ipod into the line in, the bass straight into the instrument in. There is plenty of level there.

I have even used the rolls PM351 to set up my own foldback if I can't have my own send and I'm not running IEM. Take the line that goes to your ACTIVE foldback wedge and plug it into the line in on the rolls. run your mic (and your bass thru it if you want) and you can dial in your own foldback mix however you like it. Such a great box

Also - for those complaining about distortion/crackling from too much bass I strongly suggest taking the time to put a compressor in line. Running a bit of compression helps fatten out the bass and kick, and limit peaks so you don't make your buds fart.

This is my set up:

This was great to sort out how I wanted to run my IEM - a cheap experiment. I'm about to upgrade my Compressor amd Wireless IEM. This was great but now I am refining. I just take a FOH send off the back of the sub's parallel out that is on my side of the stage, pedal board into the instrument in, and mic in and out to the desk. It's that simple.

 

[overbybr]

I'm not sure about that though because even with my irig hd I found them crackling with the bass and irig both at half gain or maybe a little over half.

Yeah, the iRig is great for practice, but it's crap for recording. What your hearing is your bass clipping the iRig, not the buds. I just got back from a loooong practice tonight and my UM3X buds kept it crystal clear.

Also - for those complaining about distortion/crackling from too much bass I strongly suggest taking the time to put a compressor in line. Running a bit of compression helps fatten out the bass and kick, and limit peaks so you don't make your buds fart.
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Yes, yes, yes

 

[mrharrell]

I have even used the rolls PM351 to set up my own foldback if I can't have my own send and I'm not running IEM. Take the line that goes to your ACTIVE foldback wedge and plug it into the line in on the rolls. run your mic (and your bass thru it if you want) and you can dial in your own foldback mix however you like it. Such a great box

I didn't realize this was an option with the Rolls also! Unfortunately I don't think I've ever played a venue that used active stage monitors. They always seem to be powered from an amp, which would mean the above isn't possible, right?

 

[overbybr]

I didn't realize this was an option with the Rolls also! Unfortunately I don't think I've ever played a venue that used active stage monitors. They always seem to be powered from an amp, which would mean the above isn't possible, right?

In your situation, you would take the 1/4" input from the board that goes to one of the power amps and run that into the PM 351. You could also ask for an aux channel from the board.

 

[Rocksolid]

I didn't realize this was an option with the Rolls also! Unfortunately I don't think I've ever played a venue that used active stage monitors. They always seem to be powered from an amp, which would mean the above isn't possible, right?

I have heard of people using a loop of the power amp send but it is not recommended. Rolls make another product called a PM57 Headphone Tap which converts a speaker sig to a line level. This is only useful for converting a speaker send to something useable with Headphones/IEM - not setting up your own personal monitor mix with passive wedges.

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Sorry to derail the thread considering it is about IEM - it is easy to start talking about Rolls products considering the link to this topic.

 

[mrharrell]

Thanks Rock....

I hate to derail it also, but I am really starting to consider IEMs. I usually play in smaller churches that have volunteers running the FOH, and I'm afraid to ask too much of them.

Looking at the PM351, I wonder if I could get a decent monitor feed by connecting a mic directly to the PM351 and placing it in front of the wedge. Certainly wouldn't be fantastic, but might be workable.

 

[Rocksolid]

Thanks Rock....

I hate to derail it also, but I am really starting to consider IEMs. I usually play in smaller churches that have volunteers running the FOH, and I'm afraid to ask too much of them.

Looking at the PM351, I wonder if I could get a decent monitor feed by connecting a mic directly to the PM351 and placing it in front of the wedge. Certainly wouldn't be fantastic, but might be workable.

The first thing I would try is getting a send from the desk. There are heaps of options. I have used Bus outs, Mono outs (best option). I have even used a Y cable to split the front of house send before it goes to the power amps for FOH.

If they are using a multicore from the stage to the Desk, but don't have any lines left to send the FOH signal to the stage for you you can use xlr sex change adaptors to use a multi core return to get the FOH to the stage. I have a bag of sex changers, TRS/XLR adaptors, Y cables in my IEM case so that I can make something work. As long as there is a line level you can use, there usually is a way to make it happen.

 

[overbybr]

The first thing I would try is getting a send from the desk. There are heaps of options. I have used Bus outs, Mono outs (best option). I have even used a Y cable to split the front of house send before it goes to the power amps for FOH.

If they are using a multicore from the stage to the Desk, but don't have any lines left to send the FOH signal to the stage for you you can use xlr sex change adaptors to use a multi core return to get the FOH to the stage. I have a bag of sex changers, TRS/XLR adaptors, Y cables in my IEM case so that I can make something work. As long as there is a line level you can use, there usually is a way to make it happen.

+1

 

[musicman7722]

Question for all you singers using IEM. How do you overcome the head voice sound in your ears? I posted a separate thread today with no replies. My voice is so muffled it makes we want to just use one ear which is bad.

I just joined a new band and they all want to go IEM and no stage amps. I'm in heaven but really could use some insight into this.

Chris P.

 

[overbybr]

Question for all you singers using IEM. How do you overcome the head voice sound in your ears? I posted a separate thread today with no replies. My voice is so muffled it makes we want to just use one ear which is bad.

I just joined a new band and they all want to go IEM and no stage amps. I'm in heaven but really could use some insight into this.

Chris P.

The only time this is an issue for me is when the signal for my mic isn't set right, or the overall volume to my IEM's is too low.

 

[Rocksolid]

Question for all you singers using IEM. How do you overcome the head voice sound in your ears? I posted a separate thread today with no replies. My voice is so muffled it makes we want to just use one ear which is bad.

I just joined a new band and they all want to go IEM and no stage amps. I'm in heaven but really could use some insight into this.

Chris P.

Just going to throw this out there, have you ever had your ears cleaned/ syringed by a doctor with warm water? I saw your other thread, but had no ideas. I have good customs which block a lot of stage sound, so I can hear my head voice to a degree, but it isn't muffled

 

[musicman7722]

Just going to throw this out there, have you ever had your ears cleaned/ syringed by a doctor with warm water? I saw your other thread, but had no ideas. I have good customs which block a lot of stage sound, so I can hear my head voice to a degree, but it isn't muffled

No I have not had that done and am open to anything. My last band had two other item users and they never complained. Worth a check for sure.

 

[musicman7722]

Just going to throw this out there, have you ever had your ears cleaned/ syringed by a doctor with warm water? I saw your other thread, but had no ideas. I have good customs which block a lot of stage sound, so I can hear my head voice to a degree, but it isn't muffled

Wow bought some ear cleaning fluid and it is amazing what came. I will try the ears tomorrow and see if I notice a change.

 

[musicman7722]

I noticed on 64 website that they do retro fits for other buds. I sent an email for clarification. Wondering if they can turn my wet one um2 buds into a custom job. Anybody know?

 

[musicman7722]

Just wanted to add another endorsement for 1964ears. I hsd some ultimate ears triple fi 10s that I had dropped and the tip broke off. These buds have possibly the best bass respnse for a universal fit bud. I sent them off to 1964 with my impressions to use their remold service. They came back as full customs, and the bass response was even better due to the great seal. Highly recommrnded.

Well that answered my last question

 

[musicman7722]

I have heard of people using a loop of the power amp send but it is not recommended. Rolls make another product called a PM57 Headphone Tap which converts a speaker sig to a line level. This is only useful for converting a speaker send to something useable with Headphones/IEM - not setting up your own personal monitor mix with passive wedges.

Here is the link: Invalid Link Removed

Sorry to derail the thread considering it is about IEM - it is easy to start talking about Rolls products considering the link to this topic.

I have a very old di from the 90'' that has a switch for either line/instrument in or speaker. I always carry it with me.

 

[Rocksolid]

The last time I had mine done, I was sitting watching tv later that day, and I got up to look outside because I thought it had started raining, but it hadn't, it was actually my wife cooking something in a fry pan! It had changed the frequencies I was hearing that dramatically!

 

[N. Kentucky Bass]

Just going to throw this out there, have you ever had your ears cleaned/ syringed by a doctor with warm water? I saw your other thread, but had no ideas. I have good customs which block a lot of stage sound, so I can hear my head voice to a degree, but it isn't muffled

Yes, I have had this done when I lived in France. For some reason I experienced extensive wax build-up and blockage of my ear canals. It's worthwhile if your build-up is extreme. At the time I was spending a lot of time outdoors on busy city streets. The nurse said extreme buildup tended to occur in people with certain professions, like taxi drivers. Weird.

Once they are cleared out, you can do this yourself. I use a standard rubber bulb syringe. They are available in pharmacies and big grocery stores. Fill up a sink with warm water, bend over the sink, fill the bulb, and squirt out each ear. Usually requires filling the bulb 2-3 times for each to extract all the wax. The force of the warm water propels the wax out of the ear and into the sink. It's surprising how much wax can build up. Afterward there might be some residual water in the ears. I get rid of it by kneeling in front of a sofa and lightly tapping each side of my head against the seat cushion. (Sorry, I'm not going to share photos of this!)

This process is MUCH safer than probing your ears with a swab, which risks pushing wax deeper into the canals. I do it on a regular basis.

 

[Geri O]

And yet another resounding endorsement of the 1964 Quad IEMs.

Some of the guys at my church had gotten generic Westones and the Alien Ears, but I was a little bothered by a couple of customer service issues some users had expressed. There were no negative issues reported by 1964 users, so I felt better going that route.

Thought no fault of 1964, it did take 3 tries to get the ear impressions before they were happy with them. Fortunately, the audiologist, who was already doing my impressions for free, was happy to redo the molds until 1964 liked what they saw (they recommend sending several pics of the impressions to save time and mailing costs).

When I first tried my molds (yesterday), I thought they might be too tilted toward the bass for my liking. My Fender basses sound awesome through them, but music is a little dark-sounding. But I'm using them in my little admittedly primitive practice environment, so I can't wait to get to the gig with them. Between that and what I've read here about the V6s being for more audiophool, errr, audiophile use, I think I made the right choice with the Quads.

Geri O

 

[gzarate85]

Irrelevant post I suppose but I can't contain my excitement. Ordered my quads yesterday. Sent my molds today. And now the wait begins! Approx 5wks according to Alex at 1964.

Sooooo tempted to pay the fee for rush order.