My guitar Player is Drowning Me

[Korladis]

I wasn't asking for your sympathy so get off your high horse. I was stating a fact.

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You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

You didn't protect your hearing when you were younger. That's unfortunate.

I do, as do many others on here. So no. We won't be sorry later. Again, your experiences and situation are not universal. Given your earlier statements, I think that perhaps you telling me to "get off my high horse" is a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, to use another old saying.

I don't tell you how to do your job or assume that you're doing it wrong somehow just because your musical situation is different than mine. I'm sure whatever you're doing is entirely appropriate to the groups you play in.

In some bands, especially in some genres, and especially in a small rehearsal space, everyone setting their volume levels to match the drums is going to result in a decibel level that makes the use of ear plugs advisable. As long as the mix is okay, that's not actually a problem. Good ear plugs exist and have been on the market for a long time, and cheaply at that.

The problem of the OP was that the mix was badly off at one rehearsal, not that the overall volume was too loud. Guitar and bass should both be set to match the drums. That means the guitar needs to come down a bit (unless it is, in fact matched with the drums and it's only the bass that isn't), and the bass needs to come up.

It really is not that complicated, and can be fixed easily with good communication. The OP might want to get an additional 1x15 cab to get a bit more room to turn up if required, and also to get a speaker closer to ear level. In the meantime, elevating both the guitar and bass cabs would probably help make it easier to get a good mix.

 

[two fingers]

Now you're not even making sense.

Clearly, someone went way out of their way to convince you that there is no such ting as "wrong". I'm just not going to try to drag you back to reality.

Cheers.

 

[Sixgunn]

Clearly, someone went way out of their way to convince you that there is no such ting as "wrong". I'm just not going to try to drag you back to reality.

Cheers.

Clearly you have no idea what you're even talking about.....

 

[Korladis]

Clearly, someone went way out of their way to convince you that there is no such ting as "wrong". I'm just not going to try to drag you back to reality.

Cheers.

In art there really isn't a hard and fast "wrong." In Bach's day, writing musical lines with parallel 5ths or octaves was "wrong." It was considered to be against the rules of good harmony. Now we do it all the time. However, that's not to say that it always goes that way... as in periods before the Baroque, people also wrote parallel 5ths and octaves quite often.

 

[I am Soma]

Ha! Somebody got to you good. If we even have to have a "serious" discussion about why Death Metal in a Southern Baptist Church is "wrong" then we're too far apart to ever come together. We'll just have to agree to disagree....... a lot.

death metal is fun and i love it...churces scare the crap out of me. new thread?

 

[FFTT]

Sartori, unless your V4B is daisy chained with another big power amp, you're not even close to being too loud.
In fact you're underpowered compared to most hard rock bass players.
Also no one was picking on your band.

If you re-read my quote.

If ....... your rehearsals seem more like bowling night for self interested wankers, find another band.

90% of the young bands I've seen have the same problem, they don't listen to each other and they are overwhelmingly unprofessional.

There are also too many bands out there where one guy thinks the whole show is about him.

 

[David Jayne]

I don't even like death metal and I agree that it will most likely not happen, but what's "wrong" about it?

Oh no it's definitely wrong. Like, 'Don't wear while after Labor Day' wrong.

 

[Sixgunn]

Oh no it's definitely wrong. Like, 'Don't wear while after Labor Day' wrong.

OHHHH!! I get it now..........

 

[Korladis]

Sartori, unless your V4B is daisy chained with another big power amp, you're not even close to being too loud.
In fact you're underpowered compared to most hard rock bass players.
Also no one was picking on your band.

If you re-read my quote.

If ....... your rehearsals seem more like bowling night for self interested wankers, find another band.

90% of the young bands I've seen have the same problem, they don't listen to each other and they are overwhelmingly unprofessional.

There are also too many bands out there where one guy thinks the whole show is about him.

I use a Mesa D-180, not an Ampeg V4B (though the V4B is a very nice amp that I'd also like to have one of, eventually).

I don't play clean with it ever, and I play it through a Sunn 2000S. It can get very loud.

I just get tired of seeing these broad generalized statements like "if you wear ear plugs, you're too loud," or "you're unprofessional" or whatever, as if everyone's musical situation is the same.

Just clarifying.

 

[hsech]

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

You didn't protect your hearing when you were younger. That's unfortunate.

I do, as do many others on here. So no. We won't be sorry later. Again, your experiences and situation are not universal. Given your earlier statements, I think that perhaps you telling me to "get off my high horse" is a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, to use another old saying.

I don't tell you how to do your job or assume that you're doing it wrong somehow just because your musical situation is different than mine. I'm sure whatever you're doing is entirely appropriate to the groups you play in.

In some bands, especially in some genres, and especially in a small rehearsal space, everyone setting their volume levels to match the drums is going to result in a decibel level that makes the use of ear plugs advisable. As long as the mix is okay, that's not actually a problem. Good ear plugs exist and have been on the market for a long time, and cheaply at that.

The problem of the OP was that the mix was badly off at one rehearsal, not that the overall volume was too loud. Guitar and bass should both be set to match the drums. That means the guitar needs to come down a bit (unless it is, in fact matched with the drums and it's only the bass that isn't), and the bass needs to come up.

It really is not that complicated, and can be fixed easily with good communication. The OP might want to get an additional 1x15 cab to get a bit more room to turn up if required, and also to get a speaker closer to ear level. In the meantime, elevating both the guitar and bass cabs would probably help make it easier to get a good mix.

I don't need to make up facts. You are doing a fine job for the both of us. I stated I have hearing aids from loud music and noise. That is a fact. You need to just move on if you don't like what I said. You have kept repeating the same stuff over and over. I don't really care if you bring the building down on yourselves with loud practice. Now what part of the "I have hearing aids due to loud music and noise" don't you understand. I didn't say you do. I also said I put myself up as an example of what can happen. I didn't say it was guaranteed to happen to you or anyone else. My hearing loss is not telling you how to do your job. I don't care how or if you do your job. I don't care if you practice in a small room, warehouse or even at all. I don't care if you wear cheap ear plugs, good ear plugs or anything about the history of ear plugs. My hearing loss has nothing to do with you personally or the genre of music you play. It is a statement of fact that you can develop hearing loss just like you can have an accident or get run over by a beer truck. I don't care what kind of cabs you have or if they are close to ear level. Hearing loss is not fun and its a fact that I have them. You may or may not require them later in life. Even if you never play in a band you might get hearing loss. It is part of aging. Loud music or noise just helps it along the way. That is what happened to me, not you. That is a true fact.

 

[I am Soma]

I don't need to make up facts. You are doing a fine job for the both of us. I stated I have hearing aids from loud music and noise. That is a fact. You need to just move on if you don't like what I said. You have kept repeating the same stuff over and over. I don't really care if you bring the building down on yourselves with loud practice. Now what part of the "I have hearing aids due to loud music and noise" don't you understand. I didn't say you do. I also said I put myself up as an example of what can happen. I didn't say it was guaranteed to happen to you or anyone else. My hearing loss is not telling you how to do your job. I don't care how or if you do your job. I don't care if you practice in a small room, warehouse or even at all. I don't care if you wear cheap ear plugs, good ear plugs or anything about the history of ear plugs. My hearing loss has nothing to do with you personally or the genre of music you play. It is a statement of fact that you can develop hearing loss just like you can have an accident or get run over by a beer truck. I don't care what kind of cabs you have or if they are close to ear level. Hearing loss is not fun and its a fact that I have them. You may or may not require them later in life. Even if you never play in a band you might get hearing loss. It is part of aging. Loud music or noise just helps it along the way. That is what happened to me, not you. That is a true fact.

what?

at least you are in the grumpy old farts club or whatever

 

[altarsofmadness]

So, can we all be friends and share a laugh?

I'll be getting some good earplugs, and a new cab (probably an Ampeg 4x10), I mean, we play metal. Have you ever seen a metal band with a 1x10 boutique combo and a single 12 guitar amp? I mean, probably there have been bands who've done that, but I'd rather play some loud music, as long as the mix is good enough.

Thank you all for your advise on the subject.

 

[I am Soma]

what?

So, can we all be friends and share a laugh?

I'll be getting some good earplugs, and a new cab (probably an Ampeg 4x10), I mean, we play metal. Have you ever seen a metal band with a 1x10 boutique combo and a single 12 guitar amp? I mean, probably there have been bands who've done that, but I'd rather play some loud music, as long as the mix is good enough.

Thank you all for your advise on the subject.

good luck brother!

 

[FFTT]

The Mesa D-180 would not be my choice for a rig, but bang for buck its a better amp than a V4B.
For some reason I thought you had a V4B, maybe because to said you wanted one.

As far as genres, I think Opera is over singing and bad acting.
Symphonies are playing really old covers wearing monkey suits.
Hell they don't even know their own material enough to put away the sheet music after playing it thousands of times.

 

[Korladis]

I don't need to make up facts. You are doing a fine job for the both of us. I stated I have hearing aids from loud music and noise. That is a fact. You need to just move on if you don't like what I said. You have kept repeating the same stuff over and over. I don't really care if you bring the building down on yourselves with loud practice. Now what part of the "I have hearing aids due to loud music and noise" don't you understand. I didn't say you do. I also said I put myself up as an example of what can happen. I didn't say it was guaranteed to happen to you or anyone else. My hearing loss is not telling you how to do your job. I don't care how or if you do your job. I don't care if you practice in a small room, warehouse or even at all. I don't care if you wear cheap ear plugs, good ear plugs or anything about the history of ear plugs. My hearing loss has nothing to do with you personally or the genre of music you play. It is a statement of fact that you can develop hearing loss just like you can have an accident or get run over by a beer truck. I don't care what kind of cabs you have or if they are close to ear level. Hearing loss is not fun and its a fact that I have them. You may or may not require them later in life. Even if you never play in a band you might get hearing loss. It is part of aging. Loud music or noise just helps it along the way. That is what happened to me, not you. That is a true fact.

You have hearing aids because you didn't protect yourself. While sure, the dangers weren't as known then, ear plugs have been around a pretty long time.

I use them, as it is a very simple, cheap way to avoid having to use hearing aids older.

I've repeated stuff because people come in with their assumptions and often those need to be hashed through.

By saying "I have hearing aids due to loud music" as if that means that no one can play loud music safely, you are projecting your own regrets about your poor decisions earlier onto the situations of other people, most of whom are more aware of the dangers than you were at the time (partly due to a lot more being known about how much volume for how long is dangerous to human hearing), and take measures to play loudly in a safe way.

Most of your posts just sound like "I lost my hearing and so will you!" Maybe that's not how you're intending them, but that's how they're coming across.

So, the fact that you lost your hearing due to not protecting your ears, back in the day, is of somewhat limited relevance to those who know to protect themselves.

 

[Korladis]

The Mesa D-180 would not be my choice for a rig, but bang for buck its a better amp than a V4B.
For some reason I thought you had a V4B, maybe because to said you wanted one.

As far as genres, I think Opera is over singing and bad acting.
Symphonies are playing really old covers wearing monkey suits.
Hell they don't even know their own material enough to put away the sheet music after playing it thousands of times.

Eh, it depends on the opera for me. I like some of them, but others bore me. Depends on the composer, really.

There are advantages/disadvantages to the D-180 versus the V4B. The D-180 has a bit more power, but a less user friendly preamp. I've tried a couple of V4Bs, and I can get a pretty similar sound out of them in short order. It might not be enough power for Catapult, but I'm not sure how much of a difference there really is between them in power.

 

[Korladis]

So, can we all be friends and share a laugh?

I'll be getting some good earplugs, and a new cab (probably an Ampeg 4x10), I mean, we play metal. Have you ever seen a metal band with a 1x10 boutique combo and a single 12 guitar amp? I mean, probably there have been bands who've done that, but I'd rather play some loud music, as long as the mix is good enough.

Thank you all for your advise on the subject.

If you want a thread for practical gear advice where people won't tell you that you're too loud, try looking for the Stoner/Doom Bassists Club over in the "Bassists" section. Good luck with the band, hopefully the next rehearsal goes a bit better.

 

[FFTT]

Playing hard rock live night after night did nothing to my hearing.
Wearing headphones hours, days on end while working on recording projects is what caused irreversible nerve damage to my hearing.
I have 1/2 of one ear remaining and my ear is so fragile that it frightens me to try a hearing aid while playing, out of fear amplified sound directly in my ear would take what's left.

I play 5 instruments, all by ear.

 

[Korladis]

Playing hard rock live night after night did nothing to my hearing.
Wearing headphones hours, days on end while working on recording projects is what caused irreversible nerve damage to my hearing.
I have 1/2 of one ear remaining and my ear is so fragile that it frightens me to try a hearing aid while playing, out of fear amplified sound directly in my ear would take what's left.

I play 5 instruments, all by ear.

Yeah... I have very little hearing loss, and it's likely that being in band class, sitting right in front of the percussion section, namely the snare drum most of the time, through middle and high school, actually did most of it.

 

[FFTT]

The underside of the headstocks to my basses have notches in them from getting hit by cymbals on small stages.
Interesting that my left ear was the one facing drummer, my right ear which was facing a Super Reverb on 7 faced cross stage
is the one that is deaf.