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My Place to Say Something?

Say Something?

  • Yes it can't hurt

    Votes: 27 36.0%
  • Not my business

    Votes: 29 38.7%
  • They may hold it against her

    Votes: 7 9.3%
  • Be patient and see if they grow on their own

    Votes: 12 16.0%

  • Total voters
    75
OP Here! Wow everyone lots to think about. Some points to make:
1. Yes it is a for profit organization and not part of the school system.
2. Kids are elementary through High school and they even have "House" and alumni bands.
3. It seems they are not teaching them about gear, but that is purely speculative as she has only been playing bass there a month or two. Been singing there much longer.
4. They all bring their own instruments except the drums and amps. Again the bass amp is a Rumble and does the job.

I think I will stay out of it(for now). If it were non profit I'd likely get involved. I am sure they have a model to follow. Thanks everyone.
 
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OP Here! Wow everyone lots to think about. Some points to make:
1. Yes it is a for profit organization and not part of the school system.
2. Kids are elementary through High school and they even have "House" and alumni bands.
3. It seems they are not teaching them about gear, but that is purely speculative as she has only been playing bass there a month or two. Been singing there much longer.
4. They all bring their own instruments except the drums and amps. Again the bass amp is a Rumble and does the job.

I think I will stay out of it(for now). If it were non profit I'd likely get involved. I am sure they have a model to follow. Thanks everyone.

Since this is for profit, I'll change my response. Decent gear and knowing how to use it should be part of the business model. It's a pretty basic investment to run this kind of business. Would you have your kid take piano lessons from someone whose piano was always out of tune or has keys that don't work?
 
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Next time you should walk up there in the middle of the show and drop your Splawn Quickrod 4x12 rig center stage, plug in, say "this is how it's done kids" and play the most bitching rock solo with pick squeals and two-handed tapping at ear splitting volume. Sunglasses optional but strongly recommended. These people won't understand until you show them how to melt faces.
 
Since this is for profit, I'll change my response. Decent gear and knowing how to use it should be part of the business model. It's a pretty basic investment to run this kind of business. Would you have your kid take piano lessons from someone whose piano was always out of tune or has keys that don't work?

Great point but she is very happy and making progress. I'll see if they have a suggestions portal box or something. If so that's the invite for comments.
 
Tread carefully. One person’s horrible mix is another’s perfect mix.

First since your daughter doesn't play guitar, forget about the guitar sound. Simply not your fight.

Then ask her how she feels about the bass rig at school. Let her try one of your rigs, something that is not totally different in size and scope, but a nice 112 rig if you have one. If she likes it, offer to let her use it at the next show. You have to realize that all of the other bassists will also use it, so if you are not comfortable with that then this is not an option.

If the school’s MD balks at letting her use her own (i.e. your) rig that would a solid indication that any other input from you would actually be detrimental to the whole process. If instead they allows it, then there are possibilities. If they thank you for the loan of a nice bass rig then there is a good chance you and diplomatically work with them to continue to improve the sound.

Just always remain keenly aware that what you think is a good mix is always just your opinion on the matter. In this realm there are no absolutes, short of static or crackling or other obviously undesired sounds.
 
Hi all. My stepdaughter that I regard as my own is participating in a franchised school that emphasizes band practice and playing live. She takes concentrated singing lessons from them, but not Bass. She has started playing bass and learning songs they assign and making great progress. When she feels comfortable time wise I intend to get her private Bass lessons as well. So far very happy with her progress.

My issue is their live sound. She has performed in 3 live concerts I think. They use the cheapest SS tiny Fender amps that you can think of. They are using a Rumble something that sounds pretty good and cuts through depending on the player of course. Some are good and play with confidence and others are working on it. The guitar sound is the worst gutless crap I have ever heard. Last week they took the bass out of the mix and there was nothing.

Now I have never been a fan of the Fender distortion in their cheap amps. Their tube amps are another discussion. So maybe I am a little biased.

I am thinking of sending an email to the director with the suggestion of upgrading the guitar amps at least for live performances. I understand budgets, business etc and I don't want to be "that guy". I also understand how good it felt to play through good gear when I was not used to it. I certainly have enough sense to do it in an assertive, complementary and diplomatic manner. I don't really communicate with them normally as my wife does that, but she is tone deaf. They have been in business here maybe 2 years.

I am not talking Marshall stacks, but certainly there is infinitely better gear for short money. What say you?
These concerts are not given to excel in PA sound.
They are about showing the outside world (especially parents and grandparents) the progress their children are making. So they can proudly clap their hands at the end.

Then if you want to suggest something, suggest a direction sound engeneer/PA, maybe that will make it more bearable for everyone.

Meanwhile, I would just keep proudly clapping my hands at the end of the concert.
 
Hi all. My stepdaughter that I regard as my own is participating in a franchised school that emphasizes band practice and playing live. She takes concentrated singing lessons from them, but not Bass. She has started playing bass and learning songs they assign and making great progress. When she feels comfortable time wise I intend to get her private Bass lessons as well. So far very happy with her progress.

My issue is their live sound. She has performed in 3 live concerts I think. They use the cheapest SS tiny Fender amps that you can think of. They are using a Rumble something that sounds pretty good and cuts through depending on the player of course. Some are good and play with confidence and others are working on it. The guitar sound is the worst gutless crap I have ever heard. Last week they took the bass out of the mix and there was nothing.

Now I have never been a fan of the Fender distortion in their cheap amps. Their tube amps are another discussion. So maybe I am a little biased.

I am thinking of sending an email to the director with the suggestion of upgrading the guitar amps at least for live performances. I understand budgets, business etc and I don't want to be "that guy". I also understand how good it felt to play through good gear when I was not used to it. I certainly have enough sense to do it in an assertive, complementary and diplomatic manner. I don't really communicate with them normally as my wife does that, but she is tone deaf. They have been in business here maybe 2 years.

I am not talking Marshall stacks, but certainly there is infinitely better gear for short money. What say you?

Been through that same scenario, only it wasn’t the amp, it was the EQ. It was the prototypical lost in the mix EQ at a very low volume. From what I could gather, the director just wanted a prop (boy are we hip, we have an electric bass in our band) but had zero intentions of it being heard. It was a nice Crate bass amp on an amp cart (that I got to push around in the Millennial Parade in London) that actually when set up properly, sounded pretty good.

What is funny about this BD, he had zero problems with the level of DB in the Jazz band, of which my son also played in as well as the Show Choir Band, and String Concert Band. Over all, his time in high school and this music program was a very good experience for my son and laid the ground work for his career as a Bassist in the Marines Fleet Band program.

If you feel a need to contact your daughter’s BD have at it. I would recommend a recorded sample as that can be worth a thousand words and is not as “challenging” as a verbal assault. Your thoughts on buying a better rig is a really nice gesture and could be greatly appreciated in a school with a tight budget.

That said, most BDs with any sort on tenure have their program down, it’s their fiefdom and are not (sans a direct order from the principal and good luck facilitating that) about to change. One other point, most of them have pretty good ears, so be careful you don’t insult their skills.

As for your daughter, if there is no resolution, sometimes being forced to comply with a higher authority is a great important life lesson on a number of different levels whether it’s appreciated or not at the time.
 
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First, offer your time and expertise. Offer to help set up and run sound at the shows. After you've earned trust, suggest upgrading gear if appropriate.

Just because a music school is a franchise operation, it doesn't mean they are rolling in corporate dough. In a lot of cases, they are just folks like you and me trying to run a small business. And times are tough for small business owners. Know the difference between being supportive and overbearing.
 
I think they have a contract with someone as they offer them for sale through the school. Thus the cheap Fenders and Squires.

Beyond echoing the thought that you should not say anything unless you are personally willing to do something (donate or fundraise), I struggle with the "beginner package" that some schools push on kids. There's a very well-known franchise (which I really, really like) that has their choices for purchasing a bass through school as either a Squire Affinity PJ (good choice) or a Epiphone Thunderbird (horrible ergonomic choice for a kid IMHO). And of course, the 15 watt bedroom amp, which in today's day and age, I would suggest a decent set of headphones and VOX amplug for 1/2 the cost and better individualized sound/functionality.
 
Public or private schools both have their financial challenges. Music programs are seldom at the top of the budget discussions, unless it is a music-centric school.

Nonetheless, donate your time. I had a blast being a "tech" for the middle school band when my kids were there. It was very rewarding. Most band programs have one teacher. Whether I was dragging extension cords, tuning a bass, or setting sound levels on amps, I know that it freed up the band teacher to do what was more important. I even bought out some of my equipment for the kids (not just mine) to use at concerts.

If you want the band director's ear, volunteering first would get you some cred.
 
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First, offer your time and expertise. Offer to help set up and run sound at the shows. After you've earned trust, suggest upgrading gear if appropriate.

Just because a music school is a franchise operation, it doesn't mean they are rolling in corporate dough. In a lot of cases, they are just folks like you and me trying to run a small business. And times are tough for small business owners. Know the difference between being supportive and overbearing.

Best suggestion yet.
 
3. It seems they are not teaching them about gear, but that is purely speculative as she has only been playing bass there a month or two. Been singing there much longer.
Based on the number of so-called "pro musicians" I've encountered who know nothing at all about their gear, I'd say this is probably true because it's likely no one who is teaching there knows much about it, either. One thought would be to volunteer to run a workshop covering the basics of live sound and amplification.
 
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