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NAD/first week gig reports, G-K MB800

Did all these gigs with the EMG P5-equipped 5-string in my Avatar (fairly fresh nickel rounds), and an AudioKinesis Thunderchild 112AF cab.

So, I started out strong with a church gig- 200 people in a movie theatre, modern-sounding 5-piece band, QSC active speakers as floor wedges, full PA support. About 95dB on peaks out front.

I started out by dialing up a fairly dark, rounded tone, as I've been living with a Genz Streamliner 900 the last while, and didn't want to rock the boat.

I was surprised to find myself gradually increasing the treble and upper mids- it was interesting to realize how much of the "G-K grind" I could fit into the mix. Final settings were Treble and Upper Mids at about 11 o'clock, Bass dialed back just a hair, Contour off, Gain at 10 o'clock, Volume around 9 o'clock, 10dB pad out.

I got compliments on the extra detail and growl at the low end, and no complaints about the extra "snap" up top. I was grinning from ear to ear. The Streamliner makes me smile, this little guy makes my hair stand up on end. Just one of those really good fingers/bass/amp/cab matches, I guess...

Next, was an "unplugged" duo in a small church basement. Sounded great at low volume, no problem adjusting the EQ for a tight, warm tone with minimal fret noise.

Next was another duo date, this time in a retirement home cafeteria. Bright-sounding room with lots of hard surfaces and an entire wall of uncurtained windows. Had real trouble getting a distinct tone in that room, as I usually do. No better than my Streamliner in setting, but no worse, either.

Last night was a city-wide worship event. 100+ dB, enthusiastic crowd in a large high school theater/auditorium. Big stage, curtains behind, at least 20 feet in front of the back wall. Rockin', aggressive music with a 6-piece band and 2 vocalists. Large, loud PA, with in-ears instead of in-ears. Standing just about on top of the lead guitarist's Marshall combo. Had the amp pushing perhaps 1/2 to 3/4 of it's rated power, and got asked to turn down. I've been doing this gig for 9 months, and I'm normally asked to turn up!

Loved the tone and definition in this setting, and appreciated the huge headroom and power.

Used my parametric EQ pedal on this gig, but instead of using it to trim the low end and boost upper mids (my Streamliner setting), I used it to make a footswitchable preset to shave the highs on quieter songs. Didn't want string noise to intrude when I was noodling...

First impressions after a week?
- Great, but fairly sensitive/touchy EQ
- Surprisingly versatile- from Motown to full-on grind
- Stunning low-end detail
- Good DI
- No noise problems, even on quiet gigs
- LOUD!

Cons?
- The low end can be a bit too effortless in quiet settings, even with the bass and low mids rolled back. I'm wondering about getting an MB200, or maybe a HPF, for smaller gigs. I'll have to take the Empress ParaEQ next time, and see if a bit of surgical EQ will rectify the problem.
- The Master volume control is after the line out. It's like trying to do a monitor mix with Post aux feeds. I much prefer the way the line out works on the Genz, where the Master only affects the signal to the cab.

It's official. I think my Genz is for sale.
 
Yes, thanks for your review. :)

I got an mb800 a few weeks ago, but I'm currently bandless at the moment. (Well, I'm in a new band but they're having trouble securing a guitarist). I've tried her out at low volume condo levels and she sounds very good. Looking forward to cranking it up a bit. I use mine with a dual 15 band eq for extra control.
 
Thanks Steve,
Does the TC (with the MB800) look like a 1 cabinet solution, or would you add a second cab for loud stage volume without monitor support?
 
Does the TC (with the MB800) look like a 1 cabinet solution, or would you add a second cab for loud stage volume without monitor support?

Answers to that question can be all over the map.

With 500 watts or more, the Thunderchild will play louder and cleaner than low-end stuff like Hartke AK410's, Ampeg B-410HE's, etc. So if you currently get by with a single 4*10 in that performance class, then an MB800 and a Thunderchild will work as a one-trip solution, and sound better doing it.

Step it up to higher-end cabs like Hartke Hydrive 410's, Bergie AE410's, Epifani Ul's, etc., and the Thunderchild comes up short. Most people agree that when you start talking about high-end gear, the AudioKinesis is roughly a 3*10 equivalent.

So if you're squeezing every last drop of performance out of a top-tier 4*10, then the Thunderchild is going to come up short. OTOH, people often use those cabs for their stellar tone, not because they need to play that loud. Also remember that the Thunderchild (like other cabs using the 3012 series drivers) don't start to compress and sound ratty near the limit. They just get louder until they blow up.

So if you're only using 50-75% of the performance envelope of a premium 4*10, then the TChild would probably still work as a one-trip replacement.

Of course, there are lots of guys that absolutely have to use 8*10's, high-end 4*12 stacks, etc., and they're never going to be satisfied with ANY of the "Super-12's".

I'm fortunate that every gig I have booked so far this year, will be just fine with the MB800/TChild combination. If I get one or two bookings that require more, I'll rent a larger 4 ohm cab for the weekend, and drive it with the MB800. If it got to be a habit, I'd probably buy a second Thunderchild and a cheap power amp. Any gig that's louder than you can handle with a couple of thousand watts and two TC112's, is louder than I want to play.

Just a suggestion: Duke now makes a Thunderchild 115. Sounds at least as sweet, and between the extra air movement and a slight increase in power handling, it would probably beat out a high end 4*10, while weighing under 40lb. It's only a couple of hundred more than the 112.

Now that really IS a one-cab solution for the vast majority of gigs, plus it's cheaper AND smaller than many 2*12 cabs...
 
And Eminence has produced an amazing series of drivers.

Duke at AudioKinesis is the King of Smooth with his incredible crossover designs, but Roger Baer (ML112), Alex Claber in the UK (various models), Andy Lewis (Acme Flatwound and Fullrange), and Greenboy (fEarful) are also making waves with variations of the Kappalites.

If someone is shopping, the mid driver-equipped Baer and Barefaced might be the most conventional-sounding bass cabs out of the group. Tons of punch and growl, from all reports...