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AIDA-X cloud based last time I used it too. What would be the benefit of shifting the processing to the cloud out of curiosity?Tone3000 site has cool feature:
Neural Amp Modeler (NAM) Profiles: Capture Your Gear for Free
TONE3000 creates digital models of your guitar tones, bass tones and studio equipment. Capture amps, pedals, rigs, outboard gear, and signal chains. Use them privately or share them with the TONE3000 community. It's fast and totally free!www.tone3000.com
It will convert your wav files to profiles for you.
Two methods, one is to record a sweep, send your recorded track.
The other is to upload dry/wet examples. Like of your own playing. One recording straight from your bass, the second from your mic'd amp, or a DI from a preamp.
This is a great feature! It looks to be free (for now).
Tonex and others should offer cloud based processing, but they definitely would charge for it.
Also Leo Gibson on youtube is an excellent resource for comparisons of these profilers. He goes through dynamics and null testing.
As far as accuracy goes NAM plugin is the most accurate, and lowest latency.
Leo is also a great musician.
Handy if you don't have a good GPU on your PC. Or you want to use your iPad or iPhone to create profiles.
Yeah that's fair, it would be interesting to see some benchmarks. Hopefully one day it'll be doable directly on the Anagram
Pitch and Time based processing is out of the scope of what can be modelled.
I used my Darkglass Anagram looper to first record a bass line. In the Anagram I made a split with dry signal via XLR out 1 to my Motu M4 In 1. Second split in the Anagram went via line out 3 to my Lusithand Ground and Pound pedal and back to Motu M4 In 2.
In Reaper I balanced for each capture the output levels of dry and wet to approx -24 LUFS by slighlty adapting the volume knob on the Ground and Pound Pedal.
Tested the NAM captures with different basses, sounds great!
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What hardware/software do I need to do the NAM capture thing? I have a MacBook with Garage Band but have never done any Mac-based audio interface capture/editing.
I’m afraid you can’t use Garageband because you need to « reamp » a track through the pedal or amp you want to capture, and to do that you need to assign the track to a specific output channel, and Garageband don’t offer this option.
You can get Logic Pro, the paid version of GBand, or Reaper (not really free but almost, I think you can use it for free for a limited period of time). But the transition from GBand to Logic is easier IMHO.
Then you need a « Reamp box », or any Boss pedal in order to bring the DAW’s output to instrument level, so you can reamp it through the gear you want to capture.
The wet+dry procedure thing skips the re-amp step? I have a Boss LS-2, so I can play the bass live and send unaffected out separate from affected out to some sort of device that somehow gets both into the NAM encoder thingy? I'm starting from scratch, here.
AIDA-X works on less powerful devices, so it’s not useful with the Anagram.
Yes. Leo Gibson says there is a slight loss due to conversion of the NAM file in the Valeton proprietary format, but it still has a pretty good tone considering the price of the unit. And he says he can hear a difference in the high frequencies, a little less « open sounding » than with the real amp, but that’s for a guitar amp. I’m not sure it matters for a bass amp.
Only $79.99???
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I watched the demo video. Crazy that you can get a NAM loader PLUS a basic multi-fx/tuner etc. for that price. I'd be tempted to get one (though I try to avoid products of the Valeton, Sonicake, Joyo, Nux pedigree) just for the ability to give a cursory auditioning of existing NAM bass dirt pedal/amp/preamp captures to see if anything rocks my world. If so, it would tempt me to dive into a more serious NAM playback device like the Dimehead or Anagram for live use.
When NAM was first released, I've immediatly thought it would be a great way to enable gear makers to demo their pedals/amps/preamps, and solve the big issue of trying gear when it's more and more difficult to find these stuff in physical stores, plus it allows us to try (a virtual version of) the device in our exact musical context (rather than alone in a noisy store), especially if we load it on a pedal in order to use in band context (rehearsal or live). If you think about it, it's even better to try a virtual amp or pedal in context, rather than trying the real device in a physical store.
Since NAM makes very realistic snapshots but doesn't offer the infinite combinations of settings, I think it shouldn't harm the sales of the physical unit, because if you really like the sound and you want full control over all the settings, you still have to buy the physical devices.
Today I've found an old post on NAM's blog, where a company uses NAM for that purpose (in order to offer a virtual demo of their hardware):
www.neuralampmodeler.com
I wonder if it could become a trend, or if the majority of businesses will rather fear NAM or ignore it?
Also, Ghost Note Audio made the choice to make a dedicated plugin for their products - which requires a lot of work. They could have simply made their official NAM models and distribute them on Tone3000, and maybe get more visibility that way? I wonder which is best? Of course, the custom plugin shows the user interface of the real device, but it's not very useful since they only offer a few snapshots (if I understood correctly)
Last option, companies could use NAM "parametric modeling", in order to make a fully controlable version of their devices, and sell these models. That a completely different business model.
I've also asked to Tone3000 if they could make a "embeddable" version of their "preview" player, so that gear makers could include a NAM player on their product pages in order to demo their devices. Tone3000 replied it's something they already have in mind. That would be pretty cool, but I wonder how many gear makers would use this feature?
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I'm in the process of capturing my amps and pedals, but before uploading the models to Tone3000, I've sent an email to the gear makers to ask them for permission - because I don't want to piss them of, or harm small businesses.
Since NAM makes very realistic snapshots but doesn't offer the infinite combinations of settings, I think it shouldn't harm the sales of the physical unit, because if you really like the sound and you want full control over all the settings, you still have to buy the physical devices.
Today I've found an old post on NAM's blog, where a company uses NAM for that purpose (in order to offer a virtual demo of their hardware):
Ghost Note Audio uses NAM for Transistor Legacy Virtual
[This one's long overdue, but I think it's very cool.]A while back, Ghost Note Audio released a software plugin called Transistor Legacy Virtual. The plugin contains Neural Amp Models of their (hardware) pedals so that potential customers can try them out at home under a variety of settings and...
www.neuralampmodeler.com
I wonder if it could become a trend, or if the majority of businesses will rather fear NAM or ignore it?
Also, Ghost Note Audio made the choice to make a dedicated plugin for their products - which requires a lot of work. They could have simply made their official NAM models and distribute them on Tone3000, and maybe get more visibility that way? I wonder which is best? Of course, the custom plugin shows the user interface of the real device, but it's not very useful since they only offer a few snapshots (if I understood correctly)
Last option, companies could use NAM "parametric modeling", in order to make a fully controlable version of their devices, and sell these models. That a completely different business model.
I've also asked to Tone3000 if they could make a "embeddable" version of their "preview" player, so that gear makers could include a NAM player on their product pages in order to demo their devices. Tone3000 replied it's something they already have in mind. That would be pretty cool, but I wonder how many gear makers would use this feature?
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I'm in the process of capturing my amps and pedals, but before uploading the models to Tone3000, I've sent an email to the gear makers to ask them for permission - because I don't want to piss them of, or harm small businesses.
- Most of them (if not all) didn't know about NAM before they received my email
- One of them didn't answer
- Obviously, they all wish the captures I would make would be realistic and give a positive image of their product
- One thanked me for asking
- One asked me to change the name of his amp (remove the name of his brand from the NAM file)
I think, generally speaking, a NAM capture itself is an audio recording, and as such no amp manufacturer owns it. Otherwise there'd be no music made with amps, ever.When NAM was first released, I've immediatly thought it would be a great way to enable gear makers to demo their pedals/amps/preamps, and solve the big issue of trying gear when it's more and more difficult to find these stuff in physical stores, plus it allows us to try (a virtual version of) the device in our exact musical context (rather than alone in a noisy store), especially if we load it on a pedal in order to use in band context (rehearsal or live). If you think about it, it's even better to try a virtual amp or pedal in context, rather than trying the real device in a physical store.
Since NAM makes very realistic snapshots but doesn't offer the infinite combinations of settings, I think it shouldn't harm the sales of the physical unit, because if you really like the sound and you want full control over all the settings, you still have to buy the physical devices.
Today I've found an old post on NAM's blog, where a company uses NAM for that purpose (in order to offer a virtual demo of their hardware):
Ghost Note Audio uses NAM for Transistor Legacy Virtual
[This one's long overdue, but I think it's very cool.]A while back, Ghost Note Audio released a software plugin called Transistor Legacy Virtual. The plugin contains Neural Amp Models of their (hardware) pedals so that potential customers can try them out at home under a variety of settings and...
I wonder if it could become a trend, or if the majority of businesses will rather fear NAM or ignore it?
Also, Ghost Note Audio made the choice to make a dedicated plugin for their products - which requires a lot of work. They could have simply made their official NAM models and distribute them on Tone3000, and maybe get more visibility that way? I wonder which is best? Of course, the custom plugin shows the user interface of the real device, but it's not very useful since they only offer a few snapshots (if I understood correctly)
Last option, companies could use NAM "parametric modeling", in order to make a fully controlable version of their devices, and sell these models. That a completely different business model.
I've also asked to Tone3000 if they could make a "embeddable" version of their "preview" player, so that gear makers could include a NAM player on their product pages in order to demo their devices. Tone3000 replied it's something they already have in mind. That would be pretty cool, but I wonder how many gear makers would use this feature?
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I'm in the process of capturing my amps and pedals, but before uploading the models to Tone3000, I've sent an email to the gear makers to ask them for permission - because I don't want to piss them of, or harm small businesses.
Thoughts?
- Most of them (if not all) didn't know about NAM before they received my email
- One of them didn't answer
- Obviously, they all wish the captures I would make would be realistic and give a positive image of their product
- One thanked me for asking
- One asked me to change the name of his amp (remove the name of his brand from the NAM file)
The trademarkable bits are things like names and logos.
So while it was nice of you to ask, I don't think you need to, except to be a nice guy.
I do think it's a cool idea to have NAM snapshots available from companies. I'd definitely be into something like that.
It's a cool way to demo something previously un-demo-able.
Saying that, pedals and amps are so interchangeable.... Maybe it would actually hurt the sales of some brands. Lol.
