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NBD: A Warmoth P-Bass Build

Thanks, I agree! It was actually quite the adventure getting the Hipshot parts to work with the Warmoth neck despite their apparently compatibility, but that's another story.


Do tell that story. Hipshot would be my preference if doing a build. I own two Warmoth builds done by others (great basses, I love them) . The ‘56 has Schallers and the unlined maple Fretless pj has Hipshot ultralights but no extender . (Yet)

I like a 1.75 width p neck but both of these have the standard carve jazz width necks and are meaty yet comfortable and 2 of my favorite necks in my stable.

The builder of my ‘56 applied a period correct Fender decal which I’m OK with since it’s licensed parts and I tell everyone it’s a Warmoth build but the Fretless is logo less and looks cool as well.
 
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I know what you mean by saying you wished you'd gotten a J neck. The Warmoth P neck feels massive: thick and wide! I also had them install the Tusq nut, like I assume you did. The nut string spacing was too wide for me.
Yeah, so far I'm surprised by how much I like it. I have big, fat hands, and am starting to think that maybe this is the neck style I need! Hasn't bothered me as much as I thought it would! I have a Dingwall with a neck that's p-carved and my Warmoth P is definitely thicker than that. I was surprised, but yeah so far it's not bad.

Later, I got the nerve up to start reshaping the neck.
Now this is bold! Good thing is that they leave Wenge basically unfinished, so if I want presumably I could neatly sand up the back without changing the appearance or finish at all.

Oh, I also used the PAX pickup in mine, and the 18 volt setup. Great minds LOL.
*My man*

That's a beauty for sure, especially like that matte black.
If you don't mind sharing, how much did it set you back?
The body was $300 and the neck was $400, which is expensive as far as Warmoth necks go. I think with all the premo hardware and miscellaneous parts I ended up around $1100-1200 bucks or so?

Does the neck have carbon reinforcements?
Yes!

Can you provide details on how the finish was done?
I cannot, as Warmoth did it for me! I am not a painter and I don't trust myself to do that kind of work yet, at least up to my standards of craftsmanship!

Yeah man that is smokin, congrats
Thank you sir! :D

That matte black is awesome- nice work!
Is there a preamp stuffed in there or just active pups?
Thanks, agreed. Super happy I went with that matte finish instead of the standard gloss. No preamp, just the active pups. Though I guess it depends on how you define it - EMG says there's an "internal preamp", which I think is jammed into the actual pickup cavities and then potted with the rest of everything for shielding purposes. So in a way there is one, just not one that I installed. I'm glad too, as I would have had to route the body for a preamp, for sure no room in there otherwise. :D

What you built other things before? Or is this just your first Warmoth build?
First one, up until now I have just bought everything!

Nice results on the build, congrats! That bridge looks great, love those saddles.
My favorite bridge of all time - those saddles allow for lots of string contact (a line of contact instead of a point, and when you lock the bridge saddles in place with the top 7 bolts, each saddle makes perfect contact with it's neighbors. Tons of tonal and sustain benefits in my opinion. :D See my earlier post on the KSM Foundation with some (admittedly simple) testing I did. Might be a little weird to put it on a p-bass, where lots of people might want a more dull, thumpier tone, but to me you can always go more thumpy but not the reverse! :D

Simplicity is elegance. Nice choices, and those pickups with 18v will be very smooth.

I think Warmoth (and others, including the aftermarket pickup builders) are sort of up-in-the-air regarding 5-string P Basses in that there is NO consensus in the industry as to whether the pickups will be in a shorter-half/longer-half 2+3 pickup shell shape, or if both halves' shells will be the same size.
I did some more jamming this morning and they are indeed very round and smooth. Happy I went alnico, they sound great. That's actually a great point about the pickups, I didn't even think about that...

GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!! Among other things, I really love the neck with no fret dot markers! FANTATIC P!
Same, and thanks!

Wow, I love the finish. Great Job!
Thanks!

per the NBD: love the look --- crazy good! i'm sure you'll make some adjustment to the neck feel. congratulations on your new instrument! :thumbsup:
I might do some work thinning the neck down to a slightly more modern profile, possibly have someone dress the frets a little bit. But honestly so far it plays great!

Thanks to a fellow Tony!
 
Dig the simplicity, it's real nice. Thanks for sharing. I am a Jazz guy but my first parts build was a PJ for the same reasons you chose to build a P Bass. After that I was hooked with one Jazz fretless completed and four more in the works!
Man I have some catching up to do! :D I already have a hankering for a new Jazz bass. Why did we choose such an expensive hobby!? :D
 
Do tell that story. Hipshot would be my preference if doing a build. I own two Warmoth builds done by others (great basses, I love them) . The ‘56 has Schallers and the unlined maple Fretless pj has Hipshot ultralights but no extender . (Yet)
So basically Warmoth and Hipshot both claim to design their relative parts (the holes in the headstock and the bushings that slide into to hold the actual tuning machines in place) to 11/16" (.687"), but Hipshot comes in a little loose. There is noticeable (at least to me) slack in the bushings - they slide in and out freely and wiggle around a tiny bit. I think when I measured the holes they were .690" and the bushings were around .640-.650". Here's the thing, in a tiny corner of their website, Hipshot sells very slightly larger bushings for this exact issue: Adapter Nuts and Bushings. So I bought those, but when they arrived they were too big, around .705". Most people deal with this by using plumbers tape, metal tape, or various other solutions on the smaller bushings, but all those seemed a little imprecise to me. So I found a spare piece of 5/8" rod stock at work and turned a small step in it using a lathe so I could chuck it up in my handheld drill. I taped some 180 grit sandpaper to it and was able to slowly open up the headstock holes and sneak up on a nice tight fit for the .705" adapter bushings instead. So that problem was solved! The downside to doing that is that when you open up the hole, the one screw hole that holds the entire assembly to the headstock is VERY goddamn close to the edge of the bushing, and it was nerve-wracking as hell drilling the pilots. It got done though and all is well - I'm happy that they are tight, don't move, and I didn't have to make any compromises.
 
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I just finished up a very pretty (imo) Warmoth P-Bass build. I have to confess that I have probably owned about 10 basses or so, and only my first was a P. In fact, at the time I was probably 12 and didn't even know what a Precision bass was. And so recently I decided to procure another, figuring at some point that I should learn to appreciate what the hype is all about. So here she is, after a few hiccups and learning experiences!

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The body and neck are from Warmoth. The matte black finish looks really good, super happy with how it turned out. I wish I would have used a jazz neck instead of a p-bass neck, but that's okay. Wenge neck /Wenge FB never disappoints, at least to me. Hipshot USA Ultralights, Hipshot Xtender, and a Hipshot string retainer. Pickups are EMG PAX run at 18V, Warmoth routed the battery box holder on the back, making it much easier for me. Bridge is the KSM Foundation, which I absolutely love.

If anyone has any questions about what it takes to build a Warmoth bass, feel free to ask away! I didn't find as much detailed information as I would have thought when I needed it, and I definitely did some learning. Not as much as I thought, though. :D

Awesome job. Really well done.
 
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I just finished up a very pretty (imo) Warmoth P-Bass build. I have to confess that I have probably owned about 10 basses or so, and only my first was a P. In fact, at the time I was probably 12 and didn't even know what a Precision bass was. And so recently I decided to procure another, figuring at some point that I should learn to appreciate what the hype is all about. So here she is, after a few hiccups and learning experiences!

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The body and neck are from Warmoth. The matte black finish looks really good, super happy with how it turned out. I wish I would have used a jazz neck instead of a p-bass neck, but that's okay. Wenge neck /Wenge FB never disappoints, at least to me. Hipshot USA Ultralights, Hipshot Xtender, and a Hipshot string retainer. Pickups are EMG PAX run at 18V, Warmoth routed the battery box holder on the back, making it much easier for me. Bridge is the KSM Foundation, which I absolutely love.

If anyone has any questions about what it takes to build a Warmoth bass, feel free to ask away! I didn't find as much detailed information as I would have thought when I needed it, and I definitely did some learning. Not as much as I thought, though. :D
That's a cool bridge
 
Do tell that story. Hipshot would be my preference if doing a build. I own two Warmoth builds done by others (great basses, I love them) . The ‘56 has Schallers and the unlined maple Fretless pj has Hipshot ultralights but no extender .

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I'm in a pissing match with Warmoth right now over this. Not much of a match as I have clearly lost and been pissed on. I want to buy a Medium scale neck for a Warmoth body I have. ALL of their SS necks (including special order) are routed for the Schaller BML tuners which means giant 1/4" indexing holes (8) are bored into the back of the headstock in addition to the 17mm bushing hole size. They sell Schaller hardware, so everything they sell for basses seems oriented towards Schaller. In order to have them NOT route the ugly giant holes in the back of the headstock they levy a $15 upcharge! The bushing size apparently is not open to debate. IMO they are clearly out of the loop on what kind of hardware many bass players prefer. Also IMO Hipshot is far and away better than Schaller for lightweight tuners. Probably for the heavy hardware too. And bridges too. Etc, etc. Warmoth prob couldn't secure a good marketing deal with Hipshot so they do not engineer their products to use them. Or they simply don't care.

Love my Warmoth parts, love my Warmoth basses, but the Schaller thing is bad business.

Sorry for the derail. Beautiful P TonyRo. Reminds me of the best P I ever played (and stupidly didn't buy).
 
I quickly recorded some samples direct, bass into interface, at various positions of the tone knob. You'll have to forgive me, I'm not an expert with Reaper and so I may have recorded them a little quiet, and then did not compensate for rolling down the tone knob either. Turn the volume up on your headphones I suppose! :D

I recorded a final one with some added compression and an SVT model. No idea why I decided to spontaneously play a Rush tune on a p-bass instead of the made up nonsense I used for all of the other clips, but the heart wants what the heart wants. :D Hope this helps anyone in the future who is thinking about the PAX pickups, and hopefully my playing and recording abilities do not turn people away - they really do sound great! Like every other p-pickup on the planet really...











 
I'm in a pissing match with Warmoth right now over this. Not much of a match as I have clearly lost and been pissed on.
It's actually hilarious that it costs more to NOT make chips, that's a new one. Totally agree that Hipshot is generally the way - I noticed that they definitely seemed to have some deal with Schaller - all their necks are clearly biased towards that hardware. I was pumped to find out they could cut the 11/16" holes for the Hipshot hardware, only to be very irritated when it was clear that Hipshot was actually the one who bungled it (imo anyway), but such is life. You can definitely make it work if you want the Hipshot stuff.
 
The great thing about Warmoth is that any hole they drill will be correct and plumb. Allparts, et al is much dicier.
Yeah the quality of their parts really impressed me. No problems whatsoever, and the neck/body connection was pretty much perfect. Tight and snug but not overly so, and everything went together with "precision", at it should. Hats off to them!
 
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