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NBD: Gretsch G5440 LSB Hollowbody (Long Scale)

This past Saturday, I left my house to buy a new suit for work. The two hours after that are a blur. I arrived back home without a suit, but with a new Gretsch Electromatic G5440 LSB :) More expensive than a suit, but I'll wearing this bass more than a suit (work is mostly casual these days anyway).

So for context, I am a 100% Fender P-Bass guy. I've tried different types of basses numerous times just to try and have something different in my arsenal, and it has never worked out for me (Fender Jazz, Stingray, etc.). I have a standard MIA P-Bass with flats, another MIA P-Bass I converted into a PJ with rounds, a fretless P-Bass and a Squier P (also converted to a PJ).

I've always been on the search for a hollowbody though. Mostly for the aesthetics I must admit, but once I joined a bluesy / jazzy / lounge band, my interest ramped up (even though my P-Basses are perfect for that too ... just different).

I did own a Gretsch G6073 Electrotone a couple of years ago. Was $2,300 brand new, and I bought it used for $1,500. I had to drive a bit far to pick it up. It was one of those situations where I didn't really love it when I played it. I also thought the fake f-holes were a bit cheesy for such an expensive bass. However, after driving the distance and having the money ready to spend, I figured I'd take it home and learn to love it. The only thing I learned was that you don't "learn to love" anything. LOL

No offense intended to other G6073 owners. For me however, with the short scale and pencil thin neck, it was as different from a P-Bass as you can imagine and was not the tone I wanted from a hollowbody. The tone wasn't the nice deep thud I was expecting (yes, I had flats on it). It was totally anemic and lacking in character. I took it to a local store and ended up trading it in for ... you guessed it ... a P-Bass!

Regardless of that experience, I was still interested in hollow body basses. I was aware of other Gretsch models but never paid attention to the specs and assumed they were all short scale with skinny necks. Always admired the stunning looks though and I never gave up on the idea of owning another Gretsch - but only at the right price and if I could try it out first.

I also tried the Jack Cassady, Gibson Midtown, German made Hofner 500/1 '63 reissue, Ibanez Artcore ... all great basses but none of them excited me enough to reach for the wallet.

Anyway ... it was only last week that I realized that Gretsch has a long scale model with a beefy neck (1.6875" nut width). If going by pictures only, it can easily be confused with the short-scale 5123B model - different fret inlays though (Edit: 5123 is actually medium scale, 5442 is short scale. Thanks AlexanderB and Donn).

Just my luck that a store 30 minutes away had a 5440 in stock.

Knowing that nothing could replace a P-Bass as my main bass, I fought as hard as I could for three whole days trying to convince myself I did not need a hollowbody and should just save the money (I do have to justify my gear purchases somewhat with a wife and kids). On day four, I collapsed and once I got behind the wheel, my car seemed to find it's own way to the guitar shop. I was powerless! Of course the bass was right there inside the door practically jumping out at me when I walked in.

So, the bass ... DEFINITELY a beefy neck. I love it. I do not have big hands, but I have always preferred a P neck to a J neck. The neck width on the G5440 is wider than a P neck, and it's very noticeable when playing, but I like it. I find it comfortable.

Tone wise ...BINGO. 100% of the woody tone I'd expect. I have DR Legends flatwounds on the bass and mainly use the neck pickup only. Very deep, but defined. It sat in the mix perfectly in band practice last night. Even the anal-rententive tone God lead guitarist only had compliments for the sound. Also sounds great with both pickups on full, but it is not as woody ... is closer to a semi-hollow sound to my ears. That may change once the strings are worked in a bit though.

The build quality is excellent. I had issues with the "Professional" line G6073 I had. I could never get it setup to my liking. I always has to keep the action a little higher than I would have liked to avoid fret buzz (frets were level). In comparison, the Korean made G5440 is flawless with action as low as my P-Bass (6/64" at the 17th fret, .012" relief), perfect fret work, finish is flawless.

To me, the $900 G5440 is a much better bass straight up than the $2300 G6073 I owned. In my hands anyway! A great bass period ... the price tag is simply an incredible bonus.

So in summary ...

- Would not be my #1 go-to everything bass. My P-Basses are forever #1. However, I can justify spending $900 for a great bass that will get a good deal of use.

- The Gretsch G5440 LSB is the PERFECT hollowbody for me. It's an easy playing adjustment switching back and forth with a P-Bass (due to scale and nut width), and delivers that woody tone you can only get from a true hollowbody. The perfect compliment to a P-Bass in my opinion.

- Neck dive? Oh yeah, like the worst. Not an issue for me though. Part of my forearm is always on the body and my fretting hand is holding the neck. No problem.

- No issues here about Korean quality. None whatsoever!

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I know this is very old but not many posts concerning this model bass. I just purchased one and waiting for it to come in. I am having Sweetwater.com put a bone nut on it, a new set of TI Jazz Flats, Custom Setup before it ships.
 
I'm keeping this alive in anticipation of obtaining one of these long scale orange boxes.
How bad is the neck dive?
Install a strap button under the neck. It requires a longer strap but will hang more balanced with easier reach.
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True, mine is a 6072 reissue, but this method works on any bass w/out a top horn. And without a top horn there will be neck dive, especially long scale.

Agreed, in many, if not most, instances. But my old Vox Cougar and my Custom Kraft Bone Buzzer and National 850 basses, true hollowbodies all, did/do not exhibit neck dive, nor do my 5440s to any extent. The neck dive on the old Gretsch hollowbodies, in contrast, is so severe the headstock could bop field mice on the head.

I applaud your extra strap button on the 6072 but have not got the moxie to try it. My G6072 is almost as pristine as yours, and I am skittish about drilling that extra hole -- resale value doncherknow. And the hole would not make it lighter. I find the 6072 to be a long, *heavy* bass, although superbly made.
 
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Agreed, in many, if not most, instances. But my old Vox Cougar and my Custom Kraft Bone Buzzer and National 850 basses, true hollowbodies all, did/do not exhibit neck dive, nor do my 5440s to any extent. The neck dive on the old Gretsch hollowbodies, in contrast, is so severe the headstock could bop field mice on the head.

I applaud your extra strap button on the 6072 but have not got the moxie to try it. My G6072 is almost as pristine as yours, and I am skittish about drilling that extra hole -- resale value doncherknow. And the hole would not make it lighter. I find the 6072 to be a long, *heavy* bass, although superbly made.
I agree not messing w/ an original specimen. Although I think you could minimize any downside by using a Gretsch strap button. My reissue is light at about 7.75 lbs. Placing the strap button under the neck shifts the entire bass to the right and reduces the reach issue. Not that it's been a problem with my Neanderthal length arms.
 
Well, my G6072 is hardly original; it is a righty converted to lefty and then reconverted back to righty. Metal plugs were tastefully used to cover the superfluous holes for the control shafts.

But 7.75 pounds! How did you manage that? Mine weighs in at about 9.5. If I could get the weight of that Gretsch and my Dillion 335-004s down to 7.75 pounds I would keep just those three basses, defret one, and move my other electrics on.

Regarding your Neanderthal arms, when I saw your pic posted above, the first thought that entered my head was "Why isn't this guy in the NBA?"
 
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Old thread I know but....

I don't think anyone provided an answer to an earlier question re: is the bridge a floater? Or is it set?

Thanks. Gorgeous basses.
Floats, but saddles are individual and can be adjusted individually for intonation.

The entire saddle assembly can be raised or lowered from either end, but height for each saddle cannot be adjusted individually.

If more height adjustment is needed then the entire wooden bridge assembly at the base of the saddle assembly can slide up and down on the body of the bass. See photo from GC.

As a general rule of thumb, if it’s a full hollow body with a trapeze tailpiece it has a floating bridge.

Semi-hollow basses have a wooden block inside the body from the bottom of the bass up to at least the bridge if not to the top of the bass body, but this varies greatly from manufacturer to manufacturer and even model to model of the same manufacturer. Usually if you see a tune-o-matic bridge on a bass like this then it isn’t floating because it’s also a semi-hollow bass.
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I own a 5442, 5123, 6073 & 6128, but not the 5440. I have a bit of a problem with how these are now sold without a Gretsch HSC included in the price like they used to be years ago, so they’re even more expensive than they appear.
 
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I bought both of mine used. One came with a case and one did not. I decided the peewee tuning machines offended my sense of proportion, so I put on cloverleafs and now neither bass will fit in the case.
That's interesting that the size of the tuners bothered you that much to do that. :woot: So they're the size of what are on your Dillion or on a P Bass.;) I'm glad they don't bother me at all. :smug: But then, with the range of basses I have in different shapes and styles it would be kind of silly for me to be bothered by something like that.:cool: That's why I have them, for variety. :bassist: If I wanted sameness I'd have 120 slab o'wood basses and argure that they're all different.:roflmao:
 
Thanks for the replies. I have never owned an instrument with a moveable/non-fixed bridge. It seems intimidating but not overly slow. I think I am just lazy. So... the string height is, in large part, determined by where you place the sliding bridge?
As stated previously:
Floats, but saddles are individual and can be adjusted individually for intonation.

The entire saddle assembly can be raised or lowered from either end, but height for each saddle cannot be adjusted individually.
 
Chalk it up to OCD, I suppose. But optics have always been important to me, perhaps too much. And IMO the 5440s do look better with the larger cloverleafs.
A little OCD can affect us all in different odd ways that’s for sure.;)

My little bit of OCD is having a matching HSC. Life can be so cruel! Que Sera, Sera… C’est La Vie and all that.:smug:
 
This past Saturday, I left my house to buy a new suit for work. The two hours after that are a blur. I arrived back home without a suit, but with a new Gretsch Electromatic G5440 LSB :) More expensive than a suit, but I'll wearing this bass more than a suit (work is mostly casual these days anyway).

So for context, I am a 100% Fender P-Bass guy. I've tried different types of basses numerous times just to try and have something different in my arsenal, and it has never worked out for me (Fender Jazz, Stingray, etc.). I have a standard MIA P-Bass with flats, another MIA P-Bass I converted into a PJ with rounds, a fretless P-Bass and a Squier P (also converted to a PJ).

I've always been on the search for a hollowbody though. Mostly for the aesthetics I must admit, but once I joined a bluesy / jazzy / lounge band, my interest ramped up (even though my P-Basses are perfect for that too ... just different).

I did own a Gretsch G6073 Electrotone a couple of years ago. Was $2,300 brand new, and I bought it used for $1,500. I had to drive a bit far to pick it up. It was one of those situations where I didn't really love it when I played it. I also thought the fake f-holes were a bit cheesy for such an expensive bass. However, after driving the distance and having the money ready to spend, I figured I'd take it home and learn to love it. The only thing I learned was that you don't "learn to love" anything. LOL

No offense intended to other G6073 owners. For me however, with the short scale and pencil thin neck, it was as different from a P-Bass as you can imagine and was not the tone I wanted from a hollowbody. The tone wasn't the nice deep thud I was expecting (yes, I had flats on it). It was totally anemic and lacking in character. I took it to a local store and ended up trading it in for ... you guessed it ... a P-Bass!

Regardless of that experience, I was still interested in hollow body basses. I was aware of other Gretsch models but never paid attention to the specs and assumed they were all short scale with skinny necks. Always admired the stunning looks though and I never gave up on the idea of owning another Gretsch - but only at the right price and if I could try it out first.

I also tried the Jack Cassady, Gibson Midtown, German made Hofner 500/1 '63 reissue, Ibanez Artcore ... all great basses but none of them excited me enough to reach for the wallet.

Anyway ... it was only last week that I realized that Gretsch has a long scale model with a beefy neck (1.6875" nut width). If going by pictures only, it can easily be confused with the short-scale 5123B model - different fret inlays though (Edit: 5123 is actually medium scale, 5442 is short scale. Thanks AlexanderB and Donn).

Just my luck that a store 30 minutes away had a 5440 in stock.

Knowing that nothing could replace a P-Bass as my main bass, I fought as hard as I could for three whole days trying to convince myself I did not need a hollowbody and should just save the money (I do have to justify my gear purchases somewhat with a wife and kids). On day four, I collapsed and once I got behind the wheel, my car seemed to find it's own way to the guitar shop. I was powerless! Of course the bass was right there inside the door practically jumping out at me when I walked in.

So, the bass ... DEFINITELY a beefy neck. I love it. I do not have big hands, but I have always preferred a P neck to a J neck. The neck width on the G5440 is wider than a P neck, and it's very noticeable when playing, but I like it. I find it comfortable.

Tone wise ...BINGO. 100% of the woody tone I'd expect. I have DR Legends flatwounds on the bass and mainly use the neck pickup only. Very deep, but defined. It sat in the mix perfectly in band practice last night. Even the anal-rententive tone God lead guitarist only had compliments for the sound. Also sounds great with both pickups on full, but it is not as woody ... is closer to a semi-hollow sound to my ears. That may change once the strings are worked in a bit though.

The build quality is excellent. I had issues with the "Professional" line G6073 I had. I could never get it setup to my liking. I always has to keep the action a little higher than I would have liked to avoid fret buzz (frets were level). In comparison, the Korean made G5440 is flawless with action as low as my P-Bass (6/64" at the 17th fret, .012" relief), perfect fret work, finish is flawless.

To me, the $900 G5440 is a much better bass straight up than the $2300 G6073 I owned. In my hands anyway! A great bass period ... the price tag is simply an incredible bonus.

So in summary ...

- Would not be my #1 go-to everything bass. My P-Basses are forever #1. However, I can justify spending $900 for a great bass that will get a good deal of use.

- The Gretsch G5440 LSB is the PERFECT hollowbody for me. It's an easy playing adjustment switching back and forth with a P-Bass (due to scale and nut width), and delivers that woody tone you can only get from a true hollowbody. The perfect compliment to a P-Bass in my opinion.

- Neck dive? Oh yeah, like the worst. Not an issue for me though. Part of my forearm is always on the body and my fretting hand is holding the neck. No problem.

- No issues here about Korean quality. None whatsoever!

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Full circle!

Although I started this thread back in 2015 with glowing undying love for the Gretsch G5440LSB, I traded it in at some point around 2017/18 as a partial payment for an early 80's Fender Precision "boner" bass. I've been carrying that regret around until today 😀

To me, these are the ultimate woody hollowbody tone machines. So deep with amazing clarity in all pickup positions. ALL THUD, NO MUD! I'm a DR Legends guy when it come to flats, but I believe it's Labellas on there at the moment (dark purple silks). Those will stay on, likely forever.

This has a 2021 serial number, so close to when they discontinued them I think? They definitely maintained the high quality throughout its run it seems. LOVE IT ❤️
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Has anyone played both the short scale and the long scale? How much does the scale length affect the tone? I've always kind of felt that if I bought a hollowbody, I would make sure it was also short scale. My reasoning is that short scale basses tend to have a big round tone I love. I really like that the notes are even tonally across the fretboard. You can play high up on the neck and not lose that low end. It seems like you also get some of that roundness from hollowbody basses, so I like the idea of doubling down on that.

Just thinking about my options here. I'm seeing a short, a medium, and a long on the used market right now. They're all within the same price range, so it's really a matter of what's going to get me closer to the tone I want. I can adjust to any scale length, especially since it's not going to be my main bass. I want it for recording on very specific types of songs.

I've found videos of both, but it's kind of hard to make any judgment when it's different players playing different things.
 
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