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NBD Guild Starfire Chris Hillman reissue

Ok, here we go. First—no Pics, no Bass, right?

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Impressions of the Guild Starfire Chris Hillman Bass... [This invalid link has been removed]

The fit, finish, binding, and setup of this MIK instrument are top notch. Except for some faint file marks on the fingerboard, which are just about imperceptible, I'd say the bass is flawless, including the frets. This bass is worthy of the old Westerly, Rhode Island builders, they should be proud.

The tuners, controls and output jack are crisp and snug feeling. Nut is well-executed. This instrument is brand new, and was the last new one I could find anywhere in the U.S. I paid what was asked (gulp) with little choice, but did briefly consider a vintage instrument, which was about $1000 more with several significant condition issues.

Complete specs here: [This invalid link has been removed]

The highlights of the specs are: this instrument is no longer produced, the weight is ~8.5 lbs, scale length is 30.75 inches, pickup is a single bridge Guild BS-1 BiSonic single coil—an accurate detailed recreation of the 1966 original—as can be said of the entire instrument. Good hardshell case. I am in love.

Playing it—Yeah. It is like going back in time for me. It feels exactly like the instrument I had from 1967-1974. I abandoned that Guild as my main player about 1970, though I kept it and used it from time to time. This reissue nails the look and feel of the original 100%. For real.

In addition, the sound of the bass, wearing its D’Addario ECB81 flat wound lights (45-100), is midrange growly and complex. No mud here, tones range from a wide-response single coil bright sparkle with the tone control open, to a genuine MusicMan-type growl with it fully closed. All nicely musical and useable. No big lows, but a very serious barky growl.

Ergonomically, it is easy to play if worn fairly high, despite a mild neck dive. Neck dive was not an issue playing finger style. Pick-style, it might be a little more problematic, though I only used a slick standard-sized Ernie Ball nylon webbing strap. In any case, I never recall having a problem playing 4 set gigs pick-style when a lad.

Speaking of pick playing, the bridge has a very nice "heel" on it that facilitates bringing your right arm in over the tailpiece area. You can comfortably rest your forearm on that bridge heel, and play "free wrist" mandolin-style like Chris Hillman. Again, this is just like the original. You can see the bridge feature I am referring to in the bridge photo above.

The mahogany neck is narrow, with a pronounced U cross-section—something like a cello—just as the original was. Chords are easy and speak well. The thumb-rest/tug bar pair are well-positioned for a sweet spot kind of finger-style or thumb tone, and playing over the front of the pickup (nearer the bridge) works well for even more "horn-like" MM-style growl. You can even slap it. Maple body is slim, but resonant and feels good.

I must confess I am more comfortable now with 34"scale 4-strings, 35" scale 5-strings, and a 41.5" scale upright, but the Starfire's 30.75" short scale is nice and comfy. Now my only problem is to find a musical context where I really can use it. Having it as a toy is fun, but it is a good sounding bass that will work well in a rock band, brit invasion, or folk-rock kind of ensemble—guess I need another project!
 
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I had the great pleasure of playing bass on a tune with Chris Hillman (mandolin and voice) and Herb Pedersen (guitar and voice) in 2008 in Lexington, Kentucky on the WoodSongs Old-Time Radio Hour at the Kentucky Theater.

At rehearsal, I told Mr. Hillman I was a fan of all his work, and wish I had had the chance to express my awe to Mr. Pedersen, especially for his work with Emmy-Lou Harris. Their duet on "If I Could Only Win Your Love" is an american musical monument and tribute to the Louvin Brothers, IMHO.

Those two honest to God musical legends blew us all away with their humility and outstanding musicianship. BTW, I played a Sadowsky NYC P/J with them for that tune, as I recall, though it might have been my Lakland. For the life of me, I don't remember what we played—though I could look it up on the Woodsongs archive—probably a tradition tune. I just recall it was joyous.
 
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Been playing this lovely sounding bass a lot these last couple days. If you are jonesing for a hollowbody like a Famus StarBass, Epiphone Rivoli, or Gibson EB2, please keep the Starfire MIK reissues in mind. Very well executed and a joy to play, IME. This bass is the equal, easily of the original made in Westerly model.

I did use an EB2 tobacco burst in '66 for a few gigs in Overland Park, KS before moving to Rhode Island. I was pretty green, but must admit that based on my recollections, the Guild has a better neck, IMHO—n.b., I had a Starfire by '67—purchased at Rhode Island Music in Pawtucket, RI. I think it cost $280 new with case. I had worked 9 1/2 hours a day, five days a week all summer as a Braider Tender at Providence Braid—a genuine mid-19th century textile mill—in order to afford that bass.

The Bisonic single coil is a classic growl machine, and is preferable to the single pickup EB2 with only the neck hum bucker, IMHO.
 
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I've been trying to locate one of the Guild CH Starfires. Finally did on Reverb.com, but thought that it was too pricey, especially considering that they "misplaced" the case so now it comes with a gig bag. That aside, it appears from what everyone is saying about it, they must be worth the price, in light of only 70 being manufactured. Thank you all for your pics and comments about the sound. I'm not a boomy guy, and much prefer that growly sound. I, too, had a cherry red Starfire while touring in the 60's, but lost it, along with all of our band equipment, when someone broke into our loaded van in Manhattan one evening. Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'm going to go for it.
 
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Okay, now I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on one of these. I'm a little nervous about there not being enough bottom with the single pickup located so close to the bridge, but then maybe its circuitry is such that it is sufficient. Can anyone comment on that. I'd hate to spend the money only to hear myself say "where's the beef?".
 
"I'm a little nervous about there not being enough bottom with the single pickup located so close to the bridge...can anyone comment on that?"
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The maple construction (vs. mahogany of the "standard" reissues) may also accentuate the highs somewhat (though others here will argue that electric instrument tone wood makes no difference in anything other than appearance).

A)-Putting flats on it should help in this regard. Why they string the SF re-pops with rounds at the factory is beyond me. Not sure what they put on the CHs.

B)-I run my SFs through a Hartke VHL Bass Attack pre-amp/DI which expands the tonal range quite a bit. There are options for tweaking output to your liking if you find it lacking.

C)-If you're dead-set on the 'burst finish or the signature/commemorative aspect of this instrument, then forge ahead. If it's just the maple construction you're after, then you might want to look at the flame maple SF-II that Guild is releasing soon, as it also addresses your tone concerns with a second pup. Looks like it's going to "street" at about $1499:

Starfire Bass II Flamed Maple – Guild Guitars

DISCLAIMER: I haven't played a CH SF. My comments are based solely on playing a mahogany-bodied (MIK) SF-I and a mahogany-bodied (MIK) SF-II. Also: I am strictly a finger-style player, not a "slapper", and am not trying to get a so-called "modern" tones out of these instruments.

Hope my opinions, based on a rather narrow frame of reference, help.
 
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Okay, now I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on one of these. I'm a little nervous about there not being enough bottom with the single pickup located so close to the bridge, but then maybe its circuitry is such that it is sufficient. Can anyone comment on that. I'd hate to spend the money only to hear myself say "where's the beef?".

I find the bisonic in the "musicman" position is growly, but with a good rig, you can get plenty of low end. However, it is no P-bass, but rather more like a Jazz with the bridge pickup favored.

That said, I find with a good amp, it is possible to get plenty beefy.
 
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Thank you both for your most helpful and encouraging comments. My CH Starfire is scheduled to arrive tomorrow. Based on the various projects that I'm involved in, I'm certain that it will fit the bill for at least one of them. An SF II may also be in my future for some of the other things that I do.
 
Okay, here ya go. First impression...I really like it a lot! Haven't had a chance to fire it up in a performance setting yet, but in my music room through my G-K MB150S "practice" rig, it sounds great. When live, I use an Xotic RC Booster, and again in the test mode it sounded plenty big to my taste. I'm looking forward to using it with one of my duets in which we use with a Bose L1 system. I'm very confident it will get the job done. I'm really quite excited to own one. (I've always been a big Byrds fan, and recently saw Hillman, Pederson, and Jorgansen at Kent State.) One observation that I have is that there is a black foam pad (similar to what some would use as a string mute) under the heel of the bridge. (Pics to follow.) Is that normal? Does yours have it or is it some kind of mod that the previous owner decided to do? I don't see it in any of the Guild product pictures, but it is most definitely there on mine. It's sort of bugging me so I'm anxious to get the verdict on that.