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NBD: I'm a very sick man.

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Hardbassjunkie, Nov 18, 2019.

  1. I just got a Fender Mark Hoppus Signature bass in a trade. Haha I went 10 years without buying gear and now I've lost control. The guy who traded me bought it brand new and kept it that way, not a single scratch or blemish.

    Mini Review: It is essentially a P-bass with Seymour Duncans and a Jazz body. So, it's exactly what it sound be; a power punk machine. I tested it out on my home studio and boy does it pack a punch. It's the exact bass tone I like and I'm out to prove that it is more versatile then people think haha.
    I guess one thing that has got me wondering is there is a small gap and the right ride of the neck pocket that can hardly fit a pick. Most research I have done says it's not an issue but just wanted to run it by TB.

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  2. MMiller28


    Apr 27, 2003
    I can't wait for you to prove that the most-recorded bass tone of all time is versatile. ;)
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  3. Haha I didn't know p bass with SDs was most recorded tone of all time. I do know it is a 90s and 00s pop punk staple though.
  4. MMiller28


    Apr 27, 2003
    I was just talking about a single Precision pickup, not necessarily a SD one.
  5. jd56hawk


    Sep 12, 2011
    The Garden State
    William Back said it the best.

    “Loose neck pockets don’t allow the neck and body to couple as well. This can diminish sustain and low freqs. Filling the gap or gaps so [the] neck fits tightly in the neck pocket is the only fix.”

    It's one of those things that sounds like a good idea until you think about it a little more deeply. On a bolt-neck guitar the main area of contact is along the back of the neck, where the screws that go through the body pull the neck tight against the base of the neck pocket. If the neck also touches the sides of the neck pocket, there’s an even tighter and more complete coupling. Fine as far as it goes.

    But here's where guitarists, luthiery and physics part company. Most makers allow for a bit of space along the sides of the neck pocket. That’s because unless the guitar is designed for it, if the fit along the sides of the neck pocket is tight, the neck can pull off chucks of body paint, make the neck difficult to remove, and even crack the side of the pocket as the wooden neck and body swell and contract with seasonal changes.

    Many players shift the debate at this point. They say they don't want the neck actually touching the sides of the pocket. Instead what they want is a gap, but the smallest one possible, as if the smaller the gap, the more coupled it is.
    The most often cited bit of Internet wisdom is that the gap should be wide enough for a slip of paper to fit, but not a credit card or—God forbid—a guitar pick.

    But here's the thing, if there is any gap, that part of the neck is no longer coupled. If air can fit through the gap, it doesn't terribly matter whether it's a 1/1000-inch gap or a 1/8-inch gap as far as the effect on energy transfer is concerned is concerned. Unlike a speaker that is moving so much air that it can make your living room walls vibrate from the force of the air pushing against them, the vibrations of a neck or solid body guitar are miniscule. It takes contact to transfer any noticeable string vibration.

    If that isn't obvious, here's another way to think of it. Take a tuning fork—they still make those, don't they? Touch it to the top of an acoustic guitar and hear that 440 A ring out loud. Now tap that tuning fork again, only this time hold it as close to the top of your guitar as possible but without touching the top. No matter how close you get, unless you actually touch it to the top, the tuning fork isn't coupled to the guitar and no noticeable energy is transferred.

    The upshot is, don't mind the gap. It's not necessarily a good thing for the neck to be fitted so tightly that it touches the sides of the pocket. And once there’s any gap, the amount is mainly an aesthetic choice, not an audible one.

    But if after all this, you still want your guitar neck to be mechanically coupled to the sides of the neck pocket you can devise a simple test to see if it provides any sonic merits: just take a tiny wooden shim and slide it into the gap. Does the guitar sound better? If so, leave it in. If not, take it out.
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  6. dmt


    Apr 19, 2003
    Orbiting Sol
    Keep a spare pick there; all’s good :thumbsup:

    I used to look at those Mark Hoppi all the time - have fun with your new bass! :bassist:
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