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NBD - Italian-Made Jazz Bass

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Some number of months ago, I was browsing through some new posts on my FB page and ran across an interesting one from Bassisti Italiani, a maker of fine, mostly handmade, basses in Sicily. He was advertising what looked like a beautiful copy of a Fender Jazz Bass. It was the last one, and they were closing it out for the amazing price of just $300, delivered to my door here in Eugene Oregon.

The company seemed very legit, great reviews, had been in business for a while, and I just decided to take a chance. The bass, as I said, was made in Sicily with all the elctronics made in Japan, not China. I was not too terribly concerned with the controls as I generally upgrade any basses I own to have an active preamp. My main concern was, of course fit and finish and whether the pickups sounded good or not. I prefer Alnico V.

Well, after close to a month of waiting, the bass arrived and exceeded all my expectations. For a passive instrument, it sounded absolutely superb.

My second "real" bass was a mid-60s Fender Jazz. I had started playing bass in 1969. Feeling self-conscious of my smaller than average hand size, I figured I could play a Hofner 500/1 (Paul McCartney's violin bass) and at the time a good friend of the family was going to Germany. I asked her if she could please buy me one at the factory. She did, and I got a brand new 500/1 with hard shell case for a whopping $100 total cost. It was a good learner bass, but compared to a "good" bass, it wasn't good. The intonation was awful and the action left a lot to be desired, and the tone was meh at best. But I learned a lot, but was still afraid to try any other basses due to my self-conciousness about my hands.

That changed when my gf and I went to see Poco live at the Fillmore West (I am a native San Franciscan, and was just 20 in 1969). We were right by the stage and got a pretty good look at Tim Schmit, one of my favorite singing bass players. It didn't look like his hands were too much different from my own, and he was playing a Fender Jazz.

Well, several days later, I paid a visit to Guitar Center on Van Ness Avenue, and lo and behold, they had a mid-60s JB in great shape for a mere $600! I couldn't pay for it fast enough. After that, I hardly ever took the Hofner out of its case. (Years later it was stolen, and I have often thought about how much it would be worth now, but oh well.)

I had the JB for a few years until I saw Freebo playing with Bonnie Raitt. He was playing a unique looking instrument I had never seen before. This was pre-Internet so I have NO idea how I found out what it was, but that, of course, was a MusicMan Stingray. It was love at first sight. At the time, I was living in Davis California. I took my Jazz Bass up to Sacramento and by a strange twist of fate, ended up at a local music store which I believe was owned by Tim Schmit's parents! I foolishly traded in the JB on a '79 Stingray with case. They gave me $300 for my JB, and the Stingray only cost me another $300 out of pocket. Again (I'm apparently a slow learner) I regretted selling the JB as I am sure it would be worth far more than $300 these days.

Regardless, the Stingray was my only bass for over 20 years. I kept it far longer than I should. The only drawback was its weight. It was at least 11 pounds, and I was starting to have severe back problems, ending up in having 5 lower back surgeries since 2013. I finally decided that the Stingray should go to someone who would play it, instead of its just sitting in its case. Through a series of trades, I ended up with a 2020 BFR Stingray Special fretless 5 string which weighed just 7.4 pounds, a LOT less than the '79 Ray.

But I still missed having a Jzz Bass. So, I ordered the Italian one and am more than happy with it. It came strung with Sansome strings, which run about $40 a set, and sound very much like Roto Swing Bass strings. Still, I wanted to add a preamp. I had a spare Audere preamp lying around, but there was no room for a 9V battery in the small control cavity.

Rick Mariner at Haywire Guitars in South Carolina had previously done some excellent work for me in shaving the neck of one of my basses, so I pulled the neck and sent the body to him. A bit over a week later, and for under $100, he mounted a single 9V battery holder and drilled a tunnel for the wires. He did such a good job on it that you really can't tell the bass didn't come from the factory like that. If you need some work on your bass that you don't feel comfortable doing yourself, by all means send it to Rick. You won't be sorry. As he puts it, he's a musician who loves doing work at reasonable prices for other musicians. Highly recommended.

Anyway, here are a couple of pictures of this bargain-priced but otherwise excellent Jazz Bass from Bassisti Italiani. You can easily find them on Facebook. Also highly recommended!

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hello from Italy,
I don't want to demoralize you, but if nothing has changed over the years, the basses advertised by "Bassisti italiani" should be cheap Chinese basses, resold under the name "bassisti italiani". Maybe I'm wrong, but this is what they say here in Italy.
It's not Italian hand made, unless something has changed since 2015.
If I'm wrong please correct me, buy this is what i ready on Italian forum.
 
I don't speak Italian and can barely read it, and some of our correspondence started out with lots of language issues, so it could be I misunderstood but I def. got the impression they were made in Sicily. Regardless, I received a bass at least as good as my memory of my old mid-60s Fender JB, and comparable in fit and finish to any good name brand instrument, if not better. No matter who made it or where it was made, this is a very good bass.

If I didn't like it, it would be immediately for sale.

If this is someone's idea of a "cheap" Chinese bass, then all those awful ripoff sellers on AliExpress should learn how to do it the way whomever B.I. gets theirs from. Sorry, not buying it. They might not be made in Italy, but wherever they are made, they do an excellent job. I suppose I could ask the guy I dealt with, but I truly don't care. They are easy enough to find on FB, so if I were you, I would query them.

Before buying the bass, I went to their website and had a look around, and although I don't recall many details, they had an impressive number of great looking basses, and I can't recall for sure, but I thought there were pictures of their factory, but not positive about that. I went there for info, not to see whether or not they were legit, because at that point I was pretty sure they were.

I paid through PP for merchandise so I wasn't worried about getting ripped off. If they didn't accept PP I wouldn't have gone any further. I might be dumb, but not crazy. lol.

They also claimed, as I have mentioned, that the electronics were Japanese. Well, I took it apart when I installed the Audere preamp, and everything looked well done. The pickups are excellent, but then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to wind an Alnico V-based JB pickup whose design and specs have been well known for years.

To put it mildly, I am anything but demoralized. To sum up, I judge a bass by what it sounds like. Nothing else. This bass sounds great, and on top of that, it looks like a much much more expensive instrument than it actually is.

I appreciate your concern, and absolutely NONE of this was meant as criticism of your comments. I just wanted to expand my viewpoint in case other bass players read the thread and might look in to getting one of their own. BTW, the guy I dealt with is

Gaetano Orazio Orto


I think that includes a link to him on FB, not sure.

One of the first things I often figure I will have to do when buying an inexpensive bass is upgrade the hardware and change the strings. In this case, changing the strings would have been a bad move. Sansone are just terrific, the combination of strings, pickup, and preamp really deliver the goods, That's 90% of tone (plus technique) on any bass, purist views on "tone wood" aside.

For $300 brand new - well I think they may sell for more now, as I was told I got the last one of these, which may have been the last of that production run - I defy you to buy anything near as good.

At some point, I might change some of the hardware. I happen to like the "murdered" look of all black hardware. The machines aren't wonderful but they hold tune so far. It was easy to intone although again, the bridge is just the simple copy of the original bent metal Fender-type bridge. So, at some point I might opt for black hardware, or I may just remove what's on there now and go get them powder coated as I have done for other basses.

I used to do a lot of upgrades, including defretting, and I mostly did Sterling by MusicMan (SBMM) Ray4 and Ray5 basses. Those are terrific entry level instruments but, new, the Ray4 is generally $350 or so, and the Ray5 a bit more. Neither is well-made or sounds as good as this one. In order to make them sound good you have to change pickup and preamp, and that will add at least $300, so now you've got a new $600 bass, which gets you an excellent bass for less than $1000.

I would compare the sound of this bass, even passive, to any comparable Fender. If you compared a stock Ray4 to any EB Stingray you would hear a world of difference.

Anyway, I appreciate your concern, and thanks for your comment.
 
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Yeah, the guy is Gaetano Orazio Orto on Fb. He also puts his whatsapp number on his publications : i reached out to ask where he was buying the necks and bodies (i was thinking aliexpress or Harley Benton kits, as he never strays away from FSOs) and he replied to all of my questions but that.. tjose are kits, right?
 
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If this bass was from a kit, it is certainly the best kit I have ever seen. I have bought basses from Harley Benton, and this one is light years better, and there is absolutely no way this came from AliExpress.

At this point I really could do without the speculation. No one has to agree with me. Everyone can think exactly what they want.

I have been playing bass for over 40 years, have owned (and do own) a variety of basses, both inexpensive and expensive, and I know the difference. You just can't get this quality from a kit. And besides, who puts an expensive set of strings on a kit bass?

I was not out to change anyone's mind. I like the bass. It sounds great, even better with the Audere in it, and I doubt I would ever want to sell it. Feel free to think what you want, but I think I got an absolute bargain on a great looking, great sounding, great playing bass. If anyone thinks they get more for their $300 (shipping included) than I did, I welcome them to buy whatever they want. Then you too can post a happy NBD post on TB and have all the naysayers tell you how you got ripped off. :cool::bassist:
 
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Still, for €300, if it plays well, looks good, feels good and sounds good - that's the price of something like this.


Is it better, is it worse? One thing is certain: resale value is nil. But €300 is sort of "disposable" money. Even if one day you have to give it away for €100, it's fine I guess. €300 doesn't even get you a full service for some of the newer cars these days...

(Also: are electric guitars that hard to make? With CNC machines and modern treatment methods for wood, skilled workers can churn out lots of items in a relatively short time, and as far as woodworking goes, electric guitar building is not that hard).
 
Still, for €300, if it plays well, looks good, feels good and sounds good - that's the price of something like this.


Is it better, is it worse? One thing is certain: resale value is nil. But €300 is sort of "disposable" money. Even if one day you have to give it away for €100, it's fine I guess. €300 doesn't even get you a full service for some of the newer cars these days...

(Also: are electric guitars that hard to make? With CNC machines and modern treatment methods for wood, skilled workers can churn out lots of items in a relatively short time, and as far as woodworking goes, electric guitar building is not that hard).
I've owned quite a variety of basses at different price points over the years. The very last thing I consider (as in I don't consider it at all) is resale value. I buy them to play, not to collect and certainly not to hope they turn into collector's items some day, which is why, when I buy a bass, I put one I already own up for sale. In general, I like to keep it to two fours, two fives, and two sixes. With regard to the fives and sixes, it's one fretted and one fretless. The fours are both fretted - A Jack Casady 20th anniv. silver burst, and a 2013 Guild Starfire II, both great players which, although I don't play them much or often, I can't get myself to part with either. But I doubt I will ever buy another four string bass.
 
Hey there!
I wasn't trying to be negative. Just sharing my experience with the guy because other buyers might be led to think he is an actual luthier.
That being said, the price you paid is a fair price. If i had to get one of those DIY kit and then all the tools, the paint and sprays, with all the protective equipment and the sanding involved etc.. it would have cost me way more than that i guess.. so not being negative, just making sure other TB members dont get their hopes up!
 
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Hey there!
I wasn't trying to be negative. Just sharing my experience with the guy because other buyers might be led to think he is an actual luthier.
That being said, the price you paid is a fair price. If i had to get one of those DIY kit and then all the tools, the paint and sprays, with all the protective equipment and the sanding involved etc.. it would have cost me way more than that i guess.. so not being negative, just making sure other TB members dont get their hopes up!
You are right. If this indeed was a kit, even if you got it free, it would cost more in materials and tools to end up with an equivalent bass. There's no way this is a kit. If you've ever seen a bass or guitar from AliExpress, you'd know for sure this didn't come from China. Not sure what you mean by not wanting other TB members to get their hopes up. It's a great bass for the money and compares favorably with anything comparable that Fender makes. I would recommend these to anyone wanting a great bass for a very reasonable price.
 
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Yeah, the guy is Gaetano Orazio Orto on Fb. He also puts his whatsapp number on his publications : i reached out to ask where he was buying the necks and bodies (i was thinking aliexpress or Harley Benton kits, as he never strays away from FSOs) and he replied to all of my questions but that.. tjose are kits, right?
I’ve found an italian bass forum called Megabass, the users in there said these basses are chinese clones
 
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