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NCAA Bowl Season 2011

It's the morning after, and I couldn't sleep last night (just because I'm a chronic insomniac)so I had time to think about the game a bit while I was lying there.

I don't think anyone should be surprised at the game personally. Alabama's defense has been #1 in most every defensive category all season. I think Jarret Lee would have made things worse had he come in. There would have been no threat of the run, and he would have been under more pressure than Jefferson. It's pretty well proven he can't take pressure and he would have thrown a pick 6 or two in no time. It looked to me like Bama's corners had the LSU receivers locked down all night so it would have taken a Drew Brees to complete any passes. Neither Jefferson or Lee could get that done.

It was a bit sad to watch. An option attack is pretty easy to defend against if you can't pass as long as the defense has athleticism and is prepared for it. I don't fault LSU for anything on the offensive side of the ball. Les knew he didn't have any other options.

What is a bit strange to me is LSU's defense. It's obvious they came in with no other objective but stopping Trent Richardson and making the QB beat them. They did an okay job with Richardson (still had 96 yards rushing on his own, plus another 48 for Lacey), but they allowed themselves to get killed on the passing game. At some point, I kept thinking they'd quit playing so much man coverage and try to shift the defense a bit to slow down our offense. Never really happened, so our TE's just ate them alive all night long. If Maze hadn't of gotten hurt I think it would have been worse, but credit goes to the QB because he made near perfect passes in good coverage that just couldn't be defended. LSU limited yards after reception because of good coverage, but we still moved down the field at will until things got compressed near the end zone. We just don't have a high caliber receiver who can get open in the end-zone, and their sellout to stop the run prevented us from scoring more touchdowns.

Special teams play was good on both sides. Brad Wing is an amazing punter, but he gets on my nerves. He ran all the way down the field on the first punt and stuck his finger inside the face mask of Maze who had just returned a punt 15 yards or so. I'm not sure what he was thinking but thank goodness Maze had poise and didn't drop him on the ground right then. I think if Maze wouldn't have pulled that hamstring right at the end of his second return that he would have easily blown past wing for the touchdown which would have been epic.

Anyway, my personal opinion is that this is the best defensive team that we've seen in college football in at least 10-15 years, perhaps since the 1992 Bama defense. I think Oklahoma State could have given LSU a decent game (still would have lost in the trenches which usually means you lose the game though), but that Bama would have really hurt OSU. It's a shame we left so many points on the field on that Nov 5th game because if we would have won that game handily, LSU wouldn't have been in the SECCG or a BCS game, and Bama would have played OSU in New Orleans last night.
 
That was a terrible game. That was NOT classic football. LSU's offense was as unimaginable and uncreative as I have seen in a long time. Alabama's defense IS very good, but LSU made zero adjustments to try to get something going.
Actually, they did try different things. Did you watch the whole game? They tried diversion passes to the perimeter, quick slants down the middle, short 5 and outs, a few sweeps, some play action, cross blocking for their running backs, gap confusion plays, etc, etc. The problem was that their offensive line was completely dominated by THREE Bama defensive linemen, leaving 4 linebackers and 4 defensive backs to make plays anywhere else on the field. They really had no option (pardon the pun) to do anything else because everything was shut down, which is why Jarret Lee never came in the game. I don't know if the casual football observer can really appreciate how utterly dominated LSU was in that game last night. It was a great thing to watch if you like matchups and X's and O's. Offensive creativity was not the problem IMHO.
 
Actually, they did try different things. Did you watch the whole game? They tried diversion passes to the perimeter, quick slants down the middle, short 5 and outs, a few sweeps, some play action, cross blocking for their running backs, gap confusion plays, etc, etc. The problem was that their offensive line was completely dominated by THREE Bama defensive linemen, leaving 4 linebackers and 4 defensive backs to make plays anywhere else on the field. They really had no option (pardon the pun) to do anything else because everything was shut down, which is why Jarret Lee never came in the game. I don't know if the casual football observer can really appreciate how utterly dominated LSU was in that game last night. It was a great thing to watch if you like matchups and X's and O's. Offensive creativity was not the problem IMHO.

I played college and pro ball, and have coached Division 1 collegiate ball. There were no major adjustments, just the original gameplan. I saw them running the same plays in the 4th quarter they ran in the first quarter. I can't even say Les Miles got outcoached, he just flat didn't coach. They relied too heavily on what got them there. Look at the teams that had any kind of success against Alabama this year (there was very little), they schemed around the defense. LSU's problem is their quarterback was terrible last night. Alabama's defense is good, but there are holes that can be exploited by an accurate quarterback and disciplined receivers. LSU had neither last night. Oklahoma State would have scored on Alabama at least. Oklahoma State is a much better matchup for Alabama's defense than LSU. LSU quit very early in that game.
 
I played college and pro ball, and have coached Division 1 collegiate ball. There were no major adjustments, just the original gameplan. I saw them running the same plays in the 4th quarter they ran in the first quarter. I can't even say Les Miles got outcoached, he just flat didn't coach. They relied too heavily on what got them there. Look at the teams that had any kind of success against Alabama this year (there was very little), they schemed around the defense. LSU's problem is their quarterback was terrible last night. Alabama's defense is good, but there are holes that can be exploited by an accurate quarterback and disciplined receivers. LSU had neither last night. Oklahoma State would have scored on Alabama at least. Oklahoma State is a much better matchup for Alabama's defense than LSU. LSU quit very early in that game.
Well then I'm asking you what kind of adjustments you think could have been made? Just bring in a lesser QB and give him a chance? I would have done that myself, just because it was obvious the game was going to be lost by middle of 3rd quarter with Jefferson. But still, what else could they do. It was suffocating?

Here's what Kirby Smart said:

BEFORE the game:

quote:
"I'd probably be real happy if they came in and lined up and did all of Georgia Southern's plays," Smart said. "They don't have Georgia Southern's offensive line, which is smaller and quicker. They don't have Georgia Southern's A and B backs, which are cut artists.

"It's not what LSU does. So for them to simulate that, it's going to hurt them more than us."
AFTER the game:

quote:
“They got in different personnel groupings and in different formations,” Smart said. “They tried to change everything, at least everything they’d done in every other game, and our guys responded.”
 
Well then I'm asking you what kind of adjustments you think could have been made? Just bring in a lesser QB and give him a chance? I would have done that myself, just because it was obvious the game was going to be lost by middle of 3rd quarter with Jefferson. But still, what else could they do. It was suffocating?

Here's what Kirby Smart said:

BEFORE the game:

quote:
"I'd probably be real happy if they came in and lined up and did all of Georgia Southern's plays," Smart said. "They don't have Georgia Southern's offensive line, which is smaller and quicker. They don't have Georgia Southern's A and B backs, which are cut artists.

"It's not what LSU does. So for them to simulate that, it's going to hurt them more than us."
AFTER the game:

quote:
“They got in different personnel groupings and in different formations,” Smart said. “They tried to change everything, at least everything they’d done in every other game, and our guys responded.”

Those were personnel groupings and formations they had worked on all week. You don't create groupings and formations during the course of the game typically. What they didn't do was exploit personnel matchups, putting quicker receivers in position to be covered by 'Bama's linebackers. I honestly think they didn't do it because they didn't think Jefferson could hit the broad side of a barn. They also never established any kind of run, so there was no legitimacy to any run fake. I'm just really surprised that they didn't make a switch at QB. Like you said, they had nothing to lose at that point.
 
Congrats, Alabama! That defensive performance was one for the ages. In fact, 'Bama's season-long defensive performance was one for the ages. And the Tide did exactly what it needed to do on offense against a great LSU defense. 'Bama had no turnovers and only one late, meaningless penalty. Well-coached and well-executed...how can anyone NOT give 'Bama its due?
 
As an LSU fan, I'm so happy Jordan Jefferson is a Senior. Good God, that was the most dreadful offensive game I've ever seen. Bama owned the LSU O-line for sure. However, itcwas obvious JJ was completely shellshocked. I think you had to make a change by the mid third qtr. they just gave up. Saban owned Miles last night.
 
The way Jefferson played, I'm not sure there WAS a "lesser" QB on the LSU sidelines. Jefferson had a stinker of a game - at a bad time for LSU.
I don't think he had a bad game for no reason. We did it to him...no doubt about it.

It's hard to say. If Lee had come on the field and thrown two interceptions inside of 10 minutes then he would have certainly been the lesser. My view from the living room was that Les had nothing to lose by putting him on LSU's second possession of the second half, but there could be all kinds of reasons why he didn't behind the scenes. The pass rush was so intense though that Lee would have had no time to make passes anyway, and he's always been horrible when in that kind of position. At least Jefferson in the past was able to scramble such that the pass rushers had to try to contain the pocket. Last night we were getting penetration with 3 linemen, and then using linebackers, corner blitzs, and safeties to come up and make tackles behind the line of scrimmage.

This is why I take issue with GrooveWarrior who says LSU tried nothing. I don't know him, but he says he played and coached. I don't see how he could say what he said. I watched LSU move people around at different positions on the line to control the pass rush. They made TONS of personnel changes in an effort to slow the defense down a bit. I think it's easy to criticize Jefferson and Miles this morning, but I just don't see that they left anything on the table in that game other than just throwing Lee in for a series just to see what could happen.
 
Of course you would disagree, but as of this morning it seems I'm not the only one who has this opinion. It's being discussed and printed by many folks.

Of course you would disagree with me disagreeing. All those teams have better players.

Like I heard this morning on ESPN, there is not one NFL star caliber player on this Bama team. All those teams (including that 92 Bama team) had NFL stars.
 
Of course you would disagree with me disagreeing. All those teams have better players.

Like I heard this morning on ESPN, there is not one NFL star caliber player on this Bama team. All those teams (including that 92 Bama team) had NFL stars.
I disagree with you, but now we're measuring the quality of an NCAA's defense by whether or not we can predict if they have a star NFL player? And if the answer now is no, but we're proven wrong, then do we go back in history to rewrite what we once thought about that defense?

Your argument is silly, as are many of your comments regarding football.
 
I don't like measuring a college teams success by how many players went to the NFL.

I wouldn't say the Bama defense this year is the best in the last 10 or 15 years, but it is definitely as good as any others I would mention. A great defense for sure, but let's not forget the coaches who put it together and got the players to buy into it.

-Mike