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Riff Ranger

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I always used to say I didn’t know what to do with a high C string …

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… and I still don’t 😆 however: after a year and a half of performing and recording on bass vi and baritone guitar, and just as long learning flamenco guitar, I definitely know a few things I can do on an instrument tuned BEADF#B—but applying many right hand flamenco techniques on a bass vi isn’t one of them. As it turns out, I need more space between strings this size to do much of any of that. Upon that realization, I found myself seriously considering a full-size six-string bass for the first time in more than 30 years.

These 25th Anniversary Ibanez BTB models caught my eye when they came out a couple years ago, and while they remain readily available, I didn’t have one locally to try in this tuning with these techniques. I went to my local Guitar Center in hopes that they would have something at least similar enough to get an idea of whether I ought to finally make the leap to a 35” scale six-string bass. Fortunately they had a Schecter SC-6, which has the same nut width and string spacing as the Ibanez BTB I had in mind. Once I detuned the two skinniest strings, I found that a big six-string finally felt natural for me. I resolved to make that leap!

I had hoped to trade in a pile of gear toward a 25th Anniversary BTB from another Guitar Center location, but Musician’s Friend had a returned unit on sale on Reverb and was even taking offers, so I leapt at that one and got an essentially new instrument at a substantial discount 😎 it arrived today and you can see how happy I am.

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One of the rare 33” scale BTB six-strings came up at the last minute, and if that one had the same pickups or an especially striking top I might have gone for it, but I really liked the unique finish and (at least from what I’d heard in videos) the Nordstrand Big Single pickups of the 25th Anniversary BTB. I’m glad I went with this one, even if it makes for some big stretches in the lower positions, because the Big Singles definitely deliver. I also like how the proportions on the 35” scale six-string BTB models look about right for someone very accustomed to the look of 34” scale four-string basses such as myself.

I will change strings as soon as the SIT Fusion Wound Nickel custom light six-string set recommended by my pal @Isaac_James arrived, though; the D’Addario NYXLs feel great but don’t sound angry enough for my purposes, and the low B already sounds very thud-y. I suspect this one probably got played a bit around the Musician’s Friend facility once the previous buyer returned it. Hopefully some relatively smooth strings under relatively low tension will help me preserve my precious flamenco claws while I’m strumming away on this monstrosity! :bassist:

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Congrats on your new acquisition OP! Play it in good health and have fun!

I got to play this model at GC last year and it was surprisingly nice! I'm not a 6 string guy because I have no idea what to do with the highest string either! 🤣 Perhaps tune your bass up to C (C1-F1-A#1-D#2-G3-C3) like Matt Pike's guitar? Al Cisneros of Sleep (AKA Matt Pike's other band) also tunes to C Standard (C1-F1-A#1-D#2).
 
I like the snowstorm finish BTBs and nearly bought one when they were on clearance at a dealer a while away. Forget why I didn't and someone else snatched it up. Glad you're enjoying yours.

One of the rare 33” scale BTB six-strings came up
I have one of these. It's going to get a very custom electronics package to match the pickups I designed and built for it. Still waiting on a 3D printer to make the covers and the final PCBs to come back. Part of me wants to tune it E-E and get the BTB776 that's been for sale near me for ages (great! price) and do a similar BEADF#B tune. Been trying not to buy any new gear and get down to (using) only one bass for a while.

Got a GVB36 on order too. The initial plan was to tune it E-E like a super-size Bass VI but I might leave it in B and finally make a new nut for the SRC6 and put the .100 set on that E-E.

Might do the lot, eventually.

Excuse the random rant, I'm exhausted.
 
I always used to say I didn’t know what to do with a high C string …

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… and I still don’t 😆 however: after a year and a half of performing and recording on bass vi and baritone guitar, and just as long learning flamenco guitar, I definitely know a few things I can do on an instrument tuned BEADF#B—but applying many right hand flamenco techniques on a bass vi isn’t one of them. As it turns out, I need more space between strings this size to do much of any of that. Upon that realization, I found myself seriously considering a full-size six-string bass for the first time in more than 30 years.

These 25th Anniversary Ibanez BTB models caught my eye when they came out a couple years ago, and while they remain readily available, I didn’t have one locally to try in this tuning with these techniques. I went to my local Guitar Center in hopes that they would have something at least similar enough to get an idea of whether I ought to finally make the leap to a 35” scale six-string bass. Fortunately they had a Schecter SC-6, which has the same nut width and string spacing as the Ibanez BTB I had in mind. Once I detuned the two skinniest strings, I found that a big six-string finally felt natural for me. I resolved to make that leap!

I had hoped to trade in a pile of gear toward a 25th Anniversary BTB from another Guitar Center location, but Musician’s Friend had a returned unit on sale on Reverb and was even taking offers, so I leapt at that one and got an essentially new instrument at a substantial discount 😎 it arrived today and you can see how happy I am.

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One of the rare 33” scale BTB six-strings came up at the last minute, and if that one had the same pickups or an especially striking top I might have gone for it, but I really liked the unique finish and (at least from what I’d heard in videos) the Nordstrand Big Single pickups of the 25th Anniversary BTB. I’m glad I went with this one, even if it makes for some big stretches in the lower positions, because the Big Singles definitely deliver. I also like how the proportions on the 35” scale six-string BTB models look about right for someone very accustomed to the look of 34” scale four-string basses such as myself.

I will change strings as soon as the SIT Fusion Wound Nickel custom light six-string set recommended by my pal @Isaac_James arrived, though; the D’Addario NYXLs feel great but don’t sound angry enough for my purposes, and the low B already sounds very thud-y. I suspect this one probably got played a bit around the Musician’s Friend facility once the previous buyer returned it. Hopefully some relatively smooth strings under relatively low tension will help me preserve my precious flamenco claws while I’m strumming away on this monstrosity! :bassist:

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I started playing guitar a few years ago and damn if that didn't influence my picking technique on bass, too. To be honest, I try not to even think about it because my right hand just does it without much input from my brain. Our bodies are amazing. Enjoy that bass, dude! It's a stunner.
 
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Congrats on your new acquisition OP! Play it in good health and have fun!

I got to play this model at GC last year and it was surprisingly nice! I'm not a 6 string guy because I have no idea what to do with the highest string either! 🤣 Perhaps tune your bass up to C (C1-F1-A#1-D#2-G3-C3) like Matt Pike's guitar? Al Cisneros of Sleep (AKA Matt Pike's other band) also tunes to C Standard (C1-F1-A#1-D#2).
Thank you!

As for the good health part, I neglected to mention that while I am accustomed to heavy instruments, this one feels surprisingly light. I have no way to weigh it accurately, but it feels possibly lighter than the four-string Ibanez RB924 I have recently favored, and I suppose that’s what really counts. My back is killing me today, but it’s not this new instrument’s fault 🥴
 
Thank you!

As for the good health part, I neglected to mention that while I am accustomed to heavy instruments, this one feels surprisingly light. I have no way to weigh it accurately, but it feels possibly lighter than the four-string Ibanez RB924 I have recently favored, and I suppose that’s what really counts. My back is killing me today, but it’s not this new instrument’s fault 🥴
It'a not that exact model, but the BTB sixes I've looked at on Sweetwater average in the mid to high 10s, with some in the high 9s and a few over 11.
 
How do you find the neck? I really want a BTB, but the one I handled really felt weird. The neck was way thin, and the back of neck was way flat. Is this one like that?
I have very limited experience with 34”-or-greater-scale six-strings, and had never played a BTB until I received this one yesterday, so bear in mind that I have a very limited frame of reference. That said, I suspect that most if not all six-string necks will feel noticeably wide and flat compared to those of any four-strings and even most five-strings (and I have over thirty years of experience with those). The neck of that Schecter SC-6 felt thinner front-to-back, and flatter on the back as well, as compared to the neck on this BTB. This one feels more like that of the Jackson David Ellefson 30th Anniversary signature five-string I had a few years ago. Overall, still wide, flat, and thin front-to-back.
 
I like the snowstorm finish BTBs and nearly bought one when they were on clearance at a dealer a while away. Forget why I didn't and someone else snatched it up. Glad you're enjoying yours.


I have one of these. It's going to get a very custom electronics package to match the pickups I designed and built for it. Still waiting on a 3D printer to make the covers and the final PCBs to come back. Part of me wants to tune it E-E and get the BTB776 that's been for sale near me for ages (great! price) and do a similar BEADF#B tune. Been trying not to buy any new gear and get down to (using) only one bass for a while.

Got a GVB36 on order too. The initial plan was to tune it E-E like a super-size Bass VI but I might leave it in B and finally make a new nut for the SRC6 and put the .100 set on that E-E.

Might do the lot, eventually.

Excuse the random rant, I'm exhausted.
Good to hear back about the SRC6 on your end. I hope you dig it even if the aesthetics don’t wow you (or me). My SRC6MS goes with me everywhere.

A number of players on here have expressed disappointment in the Ibanez three-band preamp and Bartolini BH2 pickups that come standard in many active Ibanez models, including the 33” scale BTB as well as my SRC6MS. That preamp does the job for me in this BTB, but I also tend to use onboard preamps sparingly. The BH2 pickups, on the other hand, largely pushed me toward the 25th Anniversary BTB because they did not do it for me in the SRC6MS (where I replaced them with EMG E4Ws, which sound much better for my purposes). The BH2s don’t necessarily sound bad to me—they made the SRC6MS sound very bass-y for a bass vi—but they’re objectively noisy. As expected, the EMGs produce next to no extraneous noise; but the relative lack of extraneous noise from the Nordstrand Big Singles came as a pleasant surprise.

This is my roundabout way (as turnabout is fair play!) of saying that I totally understand why you would replace the electronics in your BTB 😆
 
I'm doing a related but different 6 string exploration - in the form of using Aquila Low E tuning strings on a 6 string classical.
The tone is really interesting. Beautiful.
Nice! I intend to put baritone strings (B1–B3) on a flamenco guitar someday soon, but these dang basses keep popping up in my house 😆
 
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I started playing guitar a few years ago and damn if that didn't influence my picking technique on bass, too. To be honest, I try not to even think about it because my right hand just does it without much input from my brain. Our bodies are amazing. Enjoy that bass, dude! It's a stunner.
Thank you! I expect to approach this one as a giant (contra) baritone guitar, a bit different from how I approach four- and five-string basses.
 
It'a not that exact model, but the BTB sixes I've looked at on Sweetwater average in the mid to high 10s, with some in the high 9s and a few over 11.
I suspect the fancy tops on most BTBs add considerably to their overall weights. This one just has okoume wings on a maple-and-walnut neck, which probably explains the surprising lack of weight.
 
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Perhaps tune your bass up to C (C1-F1-A#1-D#2-G3-C3) like Matt Pike's guitar?
Funny you should suggest this, as I will meet some potential bandmates who have been writing in C-Standard tomorrow (though I think I will try to talk them down to B if all goes well).
 
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How do you find the neck? I really want a BTB, but the one I handled really felt weird. The neck was way thin, and the back of neck was way flat. Is this one like that?
I would expect so.

I had two, a 6 string in golden poplar burl gloss (sexy) and a 20'th in 5.

The thin ass neck works in 6 string, but I could never get comfortable with the 5 string.

They are awesome basses if you can jive with the neck, definitely worth the money.
 
I would expect so.

I had two, a 6 string in golden poplar burl gloss (sexy) and a 20'th in 5.

The thin ass neck works in 6 string, but I could never get comfortable with the 5 string.

They are awesome basses if you can jive with the neck, definitely worth the money.
That's what I'm thinking. I feel like I could get used to the neck with time and regular playing, but it felt so alien the first time that I worry a little.
 
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