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[Groove Master]

Like I mentionned before, a standardization of chord symbols would a good thing.

 

[Stick_Player]

Like I mentionned before, a standardization of chord symbols would a good thing.

Gallon v. Liter (or is that Litre?).

So much for standardization...

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Just looked at a Thad Jones chart - as was suggested by someone who knows these things - and lo and behold, the first Piano chord in Don't Get Sassy, from low to high is voiced: Ab, D, Ab, Db, F. The Bass is to play Bb.

There ya go! Bb7(b10)

My source said this was NOT unusual for arrangers, such as Thad Jones, Sammy Nestico, Ladd Macintosh, to write this chord.

I will see Ladd in a couple weeks, I'll ask him directly.

 

[Groove Master]

Gallon v. Liter (or is that Litre?).

So much for standardization...

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Just looked at a Thad Jones chart - as was suggested by someone who knows these things - and lo and behold, the first Piano chord in Don't Get Sassy, from low to high is voiced: Ab, D, Ab, Db, F. The Bass is to play Bb.

There ya go! Bb7(b10)

My source said this was NOT unusual for arrangers, such as Thad Jones, Sammy Nestico, Ladd Macintosh, to write this chord.

I will see Ladd in a couple weeks, I'll ask him directly.

When I talk about standard i mean some of the biggest universities and music schools around the world should get together with one goal in mind: Try to come up with a universal notation that everybody could use and agreed on. But I should add that I really like the Chords Chart of the New Real Books by Sher Music.

As for your example, I see it as an enharmonic version of the #9. Is it written as a chord symbol Bb7b10? I really doubt it. It might even been in the hand of copyist too, to write Db instead of C#. Depending on the root, it makes more sense to use something easy to read and to understand on the spot for the musician.

Anyway we are out of topic a little bit about the accidental been on all the same note or only at a dedicated octave ;-)

Good subject I shall say LOL

 

[Febs]

Gallon v. Liter (or is that Litre?).

So much for standardization...

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Just looked at a Thad Jones chart - as was suggested by someone who knows these things - and lo and behold, the first Piano chord in Don't Get Sassy, from low to high is voiced: Ab, D, Ab, Db, F. The Bass is to play Bb.

There ya go! Bb7(b10)

My source said this was NOT unusual for arrangers, such as Thad Jones, Sammy Nestico, Ladd Macintosh, to write this chord.

I will see Ladd in a couple weeks, I'll ask him directly.

They may write a flat 10 in the parts, but the chord symbol they use would almost certainly still be a 7#9. For example, I'm looking at Thad Jones' chart for Big Dipper. At one point, the first four notes in the sax voicings are D, F#, C and F, but the chord symbol is D7#9, not D7b10. Or in Nestico's chart for Slaughter on 10th Avenue, at one point he writes B, D#, A, D, F in the piano part, but the chord symbol is B7(#9 #11). I suspect that the reason enharmonic equivalents are used in the parts is for ease of reading.

 

[Stick_Player]

They may write a flat 10 in the parts, but the chord symbol they use would almost certainly still be a 7#9. For example, I'm looking at Thad Jones' chart for Big Dipper. At one point, the first four notes in the sax voicings are D, F#, C and F, but the chord symbol is D7#9, not D7b10. Or in Nestico's chart for Slaughter on 10th Avenue, at one point he writes B, D#, A, D, F in the piano part, but the chord symbol is B7(#9 #11). I suspect that the reason enharmonic equivalents are used in the parts is for ease of reading.

Be careful, those are most likely, newly edited versions of the originals. The old stuff is long gone, or in lock up.

And why did the arranger write a "b10" in the individual instrument parts? Hmmm....

You will also notice that these chord spellings (notation) use the "Blue-Notes" as the extensions.

b10 instead of #9
b12 instead of #11

For the record, I have no horse in this race.

I COMPLETELY agree that the "jazz-pop" chord labeling should be X7#9. You can review my earlier post on the customary way to label chords. But I also see the logic with notating b10 and b12.

Just letting y'all know, there are uses of X7(b10) chord labeling from this period of arranging. So what?

 

[Groove Master]

Ah man, that Blue note (minor third) over a major chord is screwing everything that comes from traditional harmony. LOL

All those examples of the x7(#9) are perfect to demonstrate the need to identifies with cautionary accidental the top note of a x7(#9). I prefer to see a F natural then a Ex in the d7(#9).