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Neuman km185

Discussion in 'Amps, Mics & Pickups [DB]' started by flatback, Apr 14, 2005.


  1. flatback

    flatback

    May 6, 2004
    Bolinas Ca
    Were putting together some recording gear and we alreaday have a pair of 184's...tthat mic sounds great with the bass but I'm wondering about te KM185 as a bass mic for live recording applications? Is it the preferable choice? does it have a much tighter pattern (not on paper but in experience?) I saw somewhere someone had made a nifty mic mount from foam and fit between tailpiece and bass...was that here on this forum?
    anybody have thoughts...

    cheers,
    Piro
     
  2. I think the posting may have been mine. I have a pair of KM184s and have used one strung between the legs of the bridge - it worked OK for low volume gigs, but at higher levels was prone to feedback. I also have a KM185 which I also used in a similar manner - this worked better, but still tends to feed back at high levels. The foam mount behind the tail-piece, was just a convenient way of mounting the mic quickly, as I found that setting up and adjusting the rubber-bands was too fiddly in a live situation, especially if the lights were dimmed. The KM185 would also work very well on a stand with the mic pointing at the bridge, but then I'd have to be constantly aware of keeping the bass in the "sweet-spot", especially with a hypercardioid, so it's much easier to have the mic mounted on the bass (one disadvantage of having it pointing up is that it tends to pick up any noises or comments I might make, although I tend not be a "grunter"…)

    As for the results, I find that if it's a quiet gig (just guitar & bass, say) I can easily play without the amp - if there's a sax or piano and drums, then I might have to have the amp on low, and I now use the KM185 behind the tailpiece - the sound is my bass, but louder. If I'm playing with a larger group where there may be even more sound (horn section, or big-band) then I use the Fishman Full-Circle, which I've found is least susceptible to feed-back, but doesn't sound as good as just using the mic.

    I've also played at gigs where there's been a sound system, and I found that using just the mic through the board, so that the bass was amplified through the main system, and not bothering with my stage amp - that seemed to work extremely well - people commented on how nice the bass sounded, and everyone in the band could hear it clearly even though I wasn't using a stage amp.

    For recording, where you have total control of the environment, I think using a good mic beats using any pickup any day (IMNSOH)

    Hope this helps -

    - Wil
     
  3. I use the 185, without an additional pickup, in every situation where I need to be amplified, and so far it did not let me down. On the contrary, as I wrote in the thread that T-bal posted. I do feel that it is important that the rest of your rig, if you prefer to play with the mic through your rig, is up to par. I use a dedicated studio mic preamp, a studio power amp and a Glockenklang Acoustic Art Mk. 1 cab, which actually is a studio monitor in a roadready housing. Live and in the studio I use the mic on a stand, pointed just below my bridge. I couldn't be happier with the recorded and live sound!

    Cheers,

    Vincent