New Ampeg Venture Series

[JimmyM]

Since there are other TB members who may learn something from this information, it’s not just for you.


Since I’ve been designing large scale commercially successful bass amps for a very long time, I might know a thing or two about this topic.

You are blaming that you are from a non-English speaking country, yet FOH has been a globally accepted and used term for as long as I have been in the business. It has everything to do with the topic, and it’s good information for those who haven’t heard the term, don’t have much pro audio experience, and aren’t a closed minded know it all who is trying to “school” some of the most experienced TB members who have responded.

The only person who is missing the point is you at this point. Remember, YOU were the one who was asking the question about master volume versus gain, then started arguing with those who actually know.

I'm just flabbergasted that anyone would make such a big deal about it. Nothing should surprise me anymore, but this sure does!

So I guess Mesa, the major company whose bass amps you designed, won't be adopting this new labeling scheme? Hahaha haha!

Oh, what fun!

 

[Parzival]

I've been on music forums for 30 years and never heard the term "FOH”

 

[Makten]

Since there are other TB members who may learn something from this information, it’s not just for you.


Since I’ve been designing large scale commercially successful bass amps for a very long time, I might know a thing or two about this topic.

You are blaming that you are from a non-English speaking country, yet FOH has been a globally accepted and used term for as long as I have been in the business. It has everything to do with the topic, and it’s good information for those who haven’t heard the term, don’t have much pro audio experience, and aren’t a closed minded know it all who is trying to “school” some of the most experienced TB members who have responded.

The only person who is missing the point is you at this point. Remember, YOU were the one who was asking the question about master volume versus gain, then started arguing with those who actually know.

Why do you think that your posts will change the fact that I had not heard the term? Do you at all understand that "I've never heard of that" does NOT mean "you are wrong"? This is ridiculous.

Now, where is that ignore button. Had enough of your snarky von-oben attitude.

 

[Makten]

I'm just flabbergasted that anyone would make such a big deal about it. Nothing should surprise me anymore, but this sure does!

So I guess Mesa, the major company whose bass amps you designed, won't be adopting this new labeling scheme? Hahaha haha!

Oh, what fun!

Is questioning something = "make a big deal"? Interesting logic.

 

[JimmyM]

Is questioning something = "make a big deal"? Interesting logic.

Like I said, questioning something is fine. But you were given an answer by quite a few people and insisted that we were wrong despite these being common words that have been standardized across the industry around the world for decades. And you were kind of rude about it to Andy, who is an Amp Designer for Mesa and longtime friend of most of us. Meanwhile, you were the one asking the questions, not us.

Again, it’s not up to the industry to conform to you. And even though they perform somewhat similar functions, they never have been the same thing, since gain is preamp volume and master is power amp volume, and always has been. I’m trying to be as patient and nice as I can, but at some point you have to let it go and accept it. It’s not that hard to understand, and it’s a bizarre hill to die on.

 

[Makten]

Like I said, questioning something is fine. But you were given an answer by quite a few people and insisted that we were wrong despite these being common words that have been standardized across the industry around the world for decades. And you were kind of rude about it to Andy, who is an Amp Designer for Mesa and longtime friend of most of us. Meanwhile, you were the one asking the questions, not us.

I never insisted that you were wrong. The whole problem seem to be that none of you actually read what I wrote, but "interpreted" something out of it.

And yes, when someone repeats the same answer three times I'm likely to get rude.

Again, it’s not up to the industry to conform to you. And even though they perform somewhat similar functions, they never have been the same thing, since gain is preamp volume and master is power amp volume, and always has been. I’m trying to be as patient and nice as I can, but at some point you have to let it go and accept it. It’s not that hard to understand, and it’s a bizarre hill to die on.

You're right, nothing can ever change and there is no point in suggesting improvments. Edit: And of course I'm accepting it. I can't understand why you think I'm not.

Can we please let go of this "discussion" now? I'm done a long time ago, but the beating of the dead horse goes on.

 

[ShadowGroover]

I have no idea what "FOH" is

It's an acronym for the wonderful, kind, patient, caring, and sharing Talkbass family, especially evident in their helpfulness and cheerfulness: Friends Or Homies (FOH : )

 

[JimmyM]

You’re right, nothing can ever change and there is no point in suggesting improvments.

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Can we please let go of this "discussion" now? I'm done a long time ago, but the beating of the dead horse goes on.

I think the person to ask is the person who wrote that question.

 

[dfp]

Let’s clear the air, friends!

I like my Ampeg Venture V7 amplifier. Sometimes I use it with SVT 210AV cabs, which have handles on top. I didn’t want to install big feet on my V7, so I did this instead. Reversible. Works like a charm.

Edit: I don’t have a micro VR amp so filling the cups is no problem for me.

 

[BobbyPoulton]

About the master volume: The V7 is just like the V3 and V12 (most volume in the second half of the dial.) Gain and SGT Level (if using SGT modes) can add a lot of volume, getting those up makes a big difference in master volume available.

I did a tour recently, where there were sometimes backline SVT3-PROs, SVT4-PROs, or SVT-7-PROs. They all have the exact same master volume taper as the Venture series.

It would appear this is not a new thing.

 

[Slim Pickens]

Let’s clear the air, friends!

I like my Ampeg Venture V7 amplifier. Sometimes I use it with SVT 210AV cabs, which have handles on top. I didn’t want to install big feet on my V7, so I did this instead. Reversible. Works like a charm. View attachment 7290776View attachment 7290777View attachment 7290778
Edit: I don’t have a micro VR amp so filling the cups is no problem for me.

Great idea! I use the same setup occasionally and figured I would just have to get used to a wobbly amp. Thanks for the idea!

 

[JimmyM]

Let’s clear the air, friends!

I like my Ampeg Venture V7 amplifier. Sometimes I use it with SVT 210AV cabs, which have handles on top. I didn’t want to install big feet on my V7, so I did this instead. Reversible. Works like a charm. View attachment 7290776View attachment 7290777View attachment 7290778
Edit: I don’t have a micro VR amp so filling the cups is no problem for me.

That’s clever!

 

[JimmyM]

I did a tour recently, where there were sometimes backline SVT3-PROs, SVT4-PROs, or SVT-7-PROs. They all have the exact same master volume taper as the Venture series.

It would appear this is not a new thing.

Not with Ampeg, no.

 

[Hot Rats]

Let’s clear the air, friends!

I like my Ampeg Venture V7 amplifier. Sometimes I use it with SVT 210AV cabs, which have handles on top. I didn’t want to install big feet on my V7, so I did this instead. Reversible. Works like a charm. View attachment 7290776View attachment 7290777View attachment 7290778
Edit: I don’t have a micro VR amp so filling the cups is no problem for me.

I did kind of the same thing except I just turned the cabinet over. Plus, the handle gives the cabinet an ever so slight tilt back.



edit: Damn the talkbass picture discombobulator!

 

[Paul New]

Why is it that so many think that they have to repeat an answer that is already given?

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On topic: It sounds great with guitar also!

FOH stands for Front Of House and all performing musicians everywhere know what it means.

Gain has been accepted as separate from Master in civilized earth-bound society for ~ 50 years.

Where are you REALLY from?

 

[Makten]

FOH stands for Front Of House and all performing musicians everywhere know what it means.

Gain has been accepted as separate from Master in civilized earth-bound society for ~ 50 years.

Where are you REALLY from?

One more on the ignore list. No point in conversations with people who do not know how to read.

 

[Mike N]

Enough bickering, folks.

Let's move on.

 

[JimmyM]

On a more professional note...has anyone hooked up one of them doohickies to test where the "true" flat frequencies are on the Venture series amps? I ask because the 40Hz in the lows doesn't seem as boomy as the 60Hz on the GKs (especially the RB series). Does that make sense? I feel the 40 Hz pounds the chest on these (and other Ampegs) while the 60 Hz sounds like...IDK, dub almost...

Those types of controls don’t just control the center frequency but a lot of surrounding frequencies. But which ones they control varies by the design.

Also, if you sit down with a recorded bass part and an EQ plugin and went through the sliders, you’ll find that while boosting 40 hz has an effect, it’s more subtle because it’s one of those “felt more than heard” frequencies. 60 starts the range where you begin to hear it better, and 100-200 is the range that makes your notes throb, especially around 125. My explanations make a lot more sense once you hear for yourself rather than try to get it through the written word.

 

[Jim Guyett]

Those types of controls don’t just control the center frequency but a lot of surrounding frequencies. But which ones they control varies by the design.

Also, if you sit down with a recorded bass part and an EQ plugin and went through the sliders, you’ll find that while boosting 40 hz has an effect, it’s more subtle because it’s one of those “felt more than heard” frequencies. 60 starts the range where you begin to hear it better, and 100-200 is the range that makes your notes throb, especially around 125. My explanations make a lot more sense once you hear for yourself rather than try to get it through the written word.

No, no, your explanation makes sense. I appreciate the explanation. The Ampeg cabs must have an inherent boost at the 100-200 range leaving the heads to boost/attenuate the surrounding frequencies to taste/room/whatever... Ampeg cabs seem to tame the aggressiveness of my GKs, boost the woolly nature of my Rumble 800 while adding a punch to the chest, and sit perfectly with some of the Ampeg heads, to my ears, that is. Hm...interesting thought.

 

[dfp]

The Venture cabs appear to be tuned lower than Ampeg’s other ported cabs (SVT-AV series at least).
What do the Venture cab users think of the cabs and how they do with the low bass register? Does the low tuning make a noticeable difference? Is it too much down low? Do you like it? Any Venture cabs users HPF your rig to roll off higher and emulate a more old school Ampeg sealed cab vibe?

I’ve been curious about the VB88 but keep hearing folks say it’s deeper than expected, making me wonder if it’s overbaked in the lows… I run a HPF always on as it is already with my SVT112AV cabs. Considering going with something sealed like a pair of PF115HE…