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New Carvin Micro bass combo amps!

The Carvin 12 should be a lot louder than the GK 12.

A 12" + 6.5" speaker set has substantially more (25%) cone area than
a 12" alone. The Carvin is closer to a 210, and the crossover makes it even better.

Cone area is not the only factor in determining sensitivity.

If a cheap arse 6.5 is used with a sensitivity of 93-94db or so, you can bet money that the single 12 by GK is more sensitive for most of the usable range (although poorer on axis above 2khz or so).

Similarly, I seriously doubt Carvin is using the high excursion 12 necessary to make the combo really loud, given the less than 1 cubic foot of internal space we're talking about.

I don't have any illusions that Carvin is using quality drivers with a well designed crossover. It's just not their pattern.
 
Don't know about the other variants in the micro line, but I see that the MB15 stock status has changed from backordered to available/in stock. I just got an email from Carvin letting me know mine had just shipped out. That was about a week before I'd expected, based on the web site's indicated lead times.
 
Been following this discussion. I think one thing that's being missed here is that it appears Carvin's intent was to sacrifice sound to both size and price point. It's a highly-targeted audience. Absent that context, the product doesn't make sense -- nor ought it to, in my opinion.
 
FWIW I've been using a BX500 head mounted in an old B100-15 combo which is exactly the same size as the new MB15 (minus the displacement of the amp in the MB15). I used it on a bunch of gigs with the stock speaker. It sounded great and took everything I threw at it. I was prepared to switch to an Eminence 3015 but put it off for a long time because the stock Carvin speaker sounded fine. If they are using the same speaker and the amp section can deliver the goods it should be a nice combo (if you like the small box, no extended low, but punchy round sound of a small 15).
 
I played through all three MB cabs at the San Diego Carvin store a few days ago using an SB5000 fretless (nice axe!).

Most of the cabs I own are twelves and fifteens, and the cabs I gig with are 3-way designs. But, the MB10 was the unit that sounded best to me in Carvin's tiny bass audition room. Tight, warm, and articulate. I'm tempted to go back and try it with my DB to hear whether it might be a good doubling rig.
 
the MB10 was the unit that sounded best to me in Carvin's tiny bass audition room. Tight, warm, and articulate. I'm tempted to go back and try it with my DB to hear whether it might be a good doubling rig.


That's what I was hoping to hear. I think this little amp might be perfect for recording. You can mike the speaker and run the XLR out post eq. I think you should be able to get some great souding recorded bass with this little amp.
 
My MB15 is supposed to be delivered on Friday, so I'll see if I can get a preliminary (but low-volume) review in over the weekend. If anyone's looking for anything in specific, please let me know. I plan on pulling the thing apart first to do a QC check before I get started. Will take pics if anyone's interested.

I may have a C&W audition in a garage sometime in the next two weeks, so I may get a chance to wring it out up against a good drummer and (probably) a trio of Twins, one each for Tele, fiddle, and pedal steel. I expect all that will be too much to stand up against for one fifteen in a small box alone, so I'll bring along an external 15 to assist.
 
bal704, the following was just posted by the Carvin webmaster:
rpw wrote:

There is not an external way of disconnecting the internal speaker. But you shouldn't have to do that anyway. By running a speaker cable from an external amp to the extension speaker jack on the combo, the signal will power the internal speaker.

Just make sure that the combo is OFF.

Hope this helps...

Rick...

P.S. I tested the above on my PB100-15 with BX500 head and my PA system - the PA ran the combo speaker through the extension speaker jack.


You actually should not do this - it could damage either the internal amp, the external amp, or both (even if powered off). In this particular case, it would also void the warranty. Now, I rig up stuff like this on my computers all the time, but that doesn't mean I should. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometime I end up giving Best Buy a big sack of money to replace fried components.

So, just to be crystal clear, you should never hook up an external amplifier to the speaker jack on the MB amps (or any other similar amps). Do so at your own peril!
 
My MB15 was delivered today.

Build quality is excellent. Everything's socked down tight.

I was wondering about the amp's electronics having no air vents, but other companies have done it successfully (Acoustic and Peavey come to mind) so I'll have to assume its been proven to work under rough conditions.

With everything flat, the rig sounds excruciatingly lean and midrangey. Thank God for the contour knob. I cranked mine all the way up. That got me halfway there. The bass control is effective but only at the fundamentals -- still, you have to use it as an antidote to the amp's prominent midrange. It's the low parametric, though, that will get the job done and generate the most impact in terms of bass punch. That and the contour knob. No surprises there. The high parametric is useful at knocking down any remaining midrange that's still around that you don't want.

I'm not a slapper; I play dance (Stefani/Gaga) or C&W, "depending." So the tweeter is just along for the ride with my style of playing, and therefore the position of the tweeter level switch didn't affect my sound at all.

Compressor works really well. They've chosen sane attack and release times, so it does the job without shouting its presence from the rooftops.

Drive knob adds a bit of harmonic bloom to the sound. I liked it as long as I used it in moderation. With that and the unit's "midrangey" character, I was able to get a close approximation of an old 50W Bassman through its 2x12 cab. Well, at least close to how I recall those things sounding.

I was curious whether having to be so aggressive with the tone controls to get a balanced sound was due more to the tiny unvented box or to the amp electronics. So, I connected an ancient 1x15 vented Peavey cab with its original square-magnet driver. YIKES. Sub-terror. I mean, MASSIVE deep bass. So yeah, this amp's leanness is due entirely to the box. But I guess that shouldn't have been a surprise, since this amp's barely large enough to contain its driver.

An active bass or external tone controls would provide added benefit in terms of tone balance, but you can go only so far with that in a cab this small before you bust something at volume.

In sum, I am VERY happy with this amp. It's the size and weight of a small packed suitcase, which is the primary reason I bought it. It will go loud enough to get you heard over politely-played drums (but just barely). And yet, connected to an external and more-capable bigger box, it becomes a whole 'nother animal, and a far more-impressive one. This thing paired up with a deeply-tuned box and an efficient, premium driver would make a capable small-club rig, and you could still use just the amp itself for low-volume rehearsals and solo practice.

I think Carvin bulls-eyed this one. It's an intentional compromise, but in my opinion they executed it really well.
 
It will go loud enough to get you heard over politely-played drums (but just barely).

Curious what others take on this is. I was kinda hoping It would be capable of putting out enough volume for the typical small club gig. I EQ my bass radically different than in the above post, so I've a feeling I'd be able to put out a lot more volume. I love midrange, would never, ever, on any amp I ever played turn the contour up all the way. :) So I shall wait on other reviews. Thanks though craig, pretty thorough review there.
 
Joe, I think it would depend on the band's style of music, the tone you're looking for, what you're competing against on stage, and whether there's mains support. These are huge variables, so it wouldn't surprise me to have widely-varying opinions on the MB15's small-gig suitability.
 
I'm looking for a small, full-featured budget combo myself. $200 was my original cap, but I quickly realized I wasn't gonna get squat for $200. Now, $300 is my cap. The sub-$300 offerings on Musiciansfiend (sic) are mostly unimpressive. 30w this, 60w that...I mean, I play BASS; 60 watts ain't squat. The GK MB112 popped up on the site yesterday, I'm pretty sure. I browsed the site on Friday and didn't see it. Been following this thread for awhile now. With shipping, the Carvin MB10 would be way over my $300 cap, but it appears that you get a lot for your money. I've basically narrowed it down to the GK MB112 and the Carvin MB10. Size has a lot to do with it. A 2x12 combo isn't a "portable combo" to me. I have a 212 cab at home; it sounds awesome, weighs a ton and is anything but portable. LOL!

The MB112 and the MB10 don't score evenly IMO (I've not heard either one at all though).

Here's how I see it:
Same great wattage for a small combo. (wash)
Both have a headphone jack. (wash)
Both have XLR DI but the Carvin has pre/post/GL/level controlable. (+1 Carvin)
The GK has a 12" driver (+1 GK).
The Carvin has a much more flexible EQ (+1 Carvin).
The Carvin is worldwide-voltage capable (important for me, +1 Carvin).
The Carvin can take an external cab (they NEED to offer a matching cab though!) (+1 Carvin)
Carvin has an attenuable tweet, GK has no tweet...I don't slap, so not important to me (wash)
Neither has an effects loop (wash for both). If the Carvin had all the above + an FX loop I'd have ordered one already.

My gut tells me the GK will put out more volume and will be more likely to "stay focused" at high volumes. But my gut also tells me I'd be happier w/the more flexible Carvin.

I'm looking for small and useful, but not neutered (i.e. a 30w combo). It sure is looking like the Carvin will fit the bill for me. If it sounds decent, they won't be able to make them fast enough.
 
The more I look at the MB10 and the MB15, the more undecided I get. I've been staring at Carvin's Microbass page. Invalid Link Removed
I'd get a lot more sound out of the MB15, but the MB10 is so darn portable. Not that the MB15's not; but the MB10 is "stuff it in a duffle bag" portable. :D

Many thanks to CRAIG P for his detailed review (only one out there, according to a brief Google search). I guess there's not a whole lot of deep bass to be had out of the MB15's small, unvented cab, but that's the tradeoff they were going for, I guess. (size vs. performance).

On the odd chance that a "small gig" turns out to be a bigger gig w/PA support, you could use any one of the MB series as a monitor and the excellent DI out to the PA; you're covered. At a small gig, where you'd most likely use these micro amps, you typically don't have PA support...and here's where I am undecided. The larger cone area of the MB15 will give you more volume for the same 200 watts. But it's substantially larger than the MB10, and will the 15" have the punch the 10" will? I know it's hard to definitively state "yes/no/maybe" without hearing both of them. What are your thoughts, TB?

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Am I the only one that thinks there should be strap handles on both opposite sides? The control panel is on top of the amp and you'd place it on stage/stand that way; control panel on top, so you could access the controls while playing. But the ONLY handle to pick it up is on the side; kind of inconvenient. That doesn't make sense to me. Small niggle, I know, but worth stating, IMO. Electrons are cheap on the internet. :D